Does Your Coach Know This Secret? Dr. Bosson Reveals How to Unlock Peak Performance

This week, we are thrilled to feature Dr. Dustin Bosson, a pioneering figure in Sports Chiropractic and the force behind the acclaimed "The PURE Athlete" podcast. Dr. Bosson's expertise in managing the physical and psychological challenges faced by athletes today sets the stage for a groundbreaking discussion.

Tune in as Dr. Bosson explores the often-overlooked mental toll of injuries and the impact of fame on athletes' well-being. Learn strategies for maintaining mental health in the competitive realm of professional sports and discover Dr. Bosson's valuable perspective on early specialization in sports. With a focus on student athletes, he delves into the risks and rewards, offering sage advice for navigating the complex landscape of youth sports development.

Whether you're an athlete, coach, parent, or sports enthusiast, this episode is packed with insights on fostering resilience, achieving peak performance, and promoting a balanced approach to sports specialization.

We are two sports chiropractors, seeking knowledge from some of the best resources in the world of health. From our perspective, health is more than just “Crackin Backs” but a deep dive into physical, mental, and nutritional well-being philosophies.

Join us as we talk to some of the greatest minds and discover some of the most incredible gems you can use to maintain a higher level of health. Crackin Backs Podcast

Transcript

Dr. Spencer Baron: 0:01

Hello and welcome to another episode of The cracking backs podcast where we unlock the secrets to optimal physical and mental performance in sports. Today, we're incredibly excited to welcome Dr. Dustin Bosson, a visionary in sports Chiropractic in the mastermind behind the pure athlete podcast. Dr. Bosson is here to shed light on the mental challenges athletes face from dealing with injuries to handling the spotlight and to debate the hot topic of early specialization in sports. Get ready for an enlightening discussion full of actionable insights for athletes at all levels. Let's dive in.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 0:43

All right, Dustin, welcome to the show, man. I mean, like we were just talking about fair, you're way more advanced than we are with your background. But you know what, Dan, we're gonna have a good time. You're not? No is the backyard? Well, we'll talk about the second now your leader in the world sports chiropractor, but you also have a successful podcast, as people will see when the show comes out on on video, the pure athlete. So where did you come up with that name? And, you know, let's talk about what constitutes a pure athlete in your mind?

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 1:19

Yeah, that's a great question. I mean, the pure athlete was really founded around the the lifestyle that I wanted to make sure that student athletes had access to. So I just I believe a lot of parents and athletes want data, they want information, whether it's, you know, structural, or performance. And so I just kind of started racking my brain. Our, our practice is vital performance. And then the pure athlete just came about just just the lifestyle. It's like, how can we make the the purebreds even even more pure, from athletic standpoint, lifestyle standpoint, and just as individuals, I mean, they're all people and they all want the, they want the outcome, and they want the health and we're excited to be able to give it and that's really where the the pure came from, is, how pure can we make somebody's health, but also lifestyle and everything else around it as they continue through school and sport?

Dr. Spencer Baron: 2:12

Just what do you mean by literally, you know, pure, describe what that would look like, if you were considered a pure athlete.

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 2:22

Yeah, that's just being being well rounded. There's so much more to sport, believe it or not, I mean, that was a big passion of mine was, you know, being able to do some pretty cool things in sport. And so it came from really not forgetting that you're a person. So purely paying attention to yourself, and understanding what's around you, and really have a clarity about what's going on what's happening inside and outside of a lifestyle. So whether it's what you put in your body, what you're feeling it with the the care that you're receiving, even outside of sport outside of the lines, and purely understanding that there's more to you than just the one dimension of what's in front of the scoreboard or, you know, between the lines. So, I mean, it's really an all encompassing from what you put in your body, how you treat it, what your lifestyle is like, and how you treat people, the pure athlete was based around mental, physical and relationships, and having a pure direction in resources and understanding of what that looks like, I think is super important. And that's, that's really how we've defined the pure athlete is being very clear in those three categories. And I don't think there's a lot of us that I don't think have reached that point yet, which is why we wanted to start to bring this to light.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 3:46

So great, you know, we, we were all educated that, you know, the the dragon of health, you know, mental, nutritional, physical, you mentioned relationships, and I think that's really powerful. Is there an area where you emphasize most I mean, we always talk about nutrition, we can tweak your nutrition, we can treat your physical behavior characteristic. The mental fascinates me. Could you share a little bit about your concept and the mental aspect of it?

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 4:22

Yeah. That's a that's a huge passion of mine. It's actually it's, it's something that's very close to me. I think when I started this, the whole line that I thought of what the pure athlete is, I just don't want student athletes to suck in any facet. I don't want them to suck on the field. I don't want them to suck as students. I don't want their their mental health and clarity to suck. I don't I want them to be confident. So speaking on the mental side of it. The other pretty bold statement that I've made that a lot of people asked me about is There's there's so much that these athletes and everybody in society, not just athletes, but there's so much that these athletes want to talk about need to talk about don't know how to talk about who to talk to. And it's getting more and more intense from everything from whether it's, you know, medications or suicides in there's so there's so much on the table and the mental aspect that needs to be discussed and talked about, there's on our podcast that drops, I think it drops this Friday, we have a Navy Seal, who we're collaborating with, which goes with the relationship side of things, to give resources for athletes to talk about, it doesn't have to be so intense where they're so depressed and down that, you know, I've said, I just don't want to see athletes jump out windows anymore. We had that at my undergrad, I had a cousin with a close friend who did the same thing was ineligible for lacrosse. And you go to that extent thinking there's no way out the soccer player at Stanford, it's like there's more of this coming out. And that's the extreme examples. But it's like, what's the mentality of these kids when, you know, they have a parent that says, you know, you go three for four and a baseball game with two home runs and a triple and you know, a parent goes, Hey, great game, what happened with that strikeout? How do you handle that? How do you you know, what's the mentality around something like that, or your significant other three years, you know, breaks up with you, and you're in college, or you're transitioning to college or you move away? It's like, there's so many mental, you know, mental perspectives and angles that you can come from with that. And I think we all here can agree, it's like, do they really know? Do they know how to talk about things like that? Do they know how to bring it up? And I'm still I think the resources are getting better. But how available? Are they? So it's pretty close to me, I see a lot of that. And I think there's a lot of athletes professional and under in college and in high school, that can be even better. Just wrapping around, not the mental toughness, but just understanding how to navigate that whole mental health clarity during the game, but also as a student and as a spouse or future spouse. There's just so much at stake. And I think that's a that's why it's a big pillar.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 7:05

Are you noticing it more lately? Or I mean, I know that, you know, the more you specialize in that area of mental health. Are you? Are you noticing kids are not equipped with the social skills? Are you seeing that more often? I don't want to lead you into that. Yeah. No,

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 7:28

I think I know what you're getting at. I mean, I mean, absolutely. I mean, look how things have changed. I mean, I'm, what am I 3037 my baseball career, I chose to end in 2006. You know, we were still playing Snake on the green screen Nokia's and stuff that was still brand new, we just transitioned from the back phones, MySpace was still number one like, and you just look at, you just look at all of the tip of the iceberg that these kids see all the time. And all of the, you know, all of the trophies that people want to display and how they interact Snapchat, Google, you know, Google this, and YouTube, that and vlogging and all this stuff. And it's like, I think you get in the locker room now. And those relationships look a lot different than when the steel curtain was in, was in Pittsburgh. It's like, what what did that social lifestyle look like? So there's kind of my extreme of like, okay, what, 3040 years? Hell yeah, that's changed. So I think absolutely, the social aspect is, is something that I wouldn't say we need to evolve with, necessarily, but maybe getting back to the kiss mentality, and in teaching these kids and getting them more aware of what's available, what's to come, because there's a lot of standards that haven't changed when it comes to transitioning from junior high to high school to college, to potentially professional so, I think, yes, I mean, I'm seeing a lot of that, and it's probably the number one question of, I think to directly answer that question better is the one thing I'm hearing the most is, I don't know how to bring it up, which means they don't know how to communicate, and they don't know what's available.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 9:07

Social skills Yeah. Are you also are you seeing I don't think people realize how much pressure a student athlete is under compared to what do they call narcs non athletic, regular people. My students call it your regular the student that's not an athlete a norm. I know what's a norm. But, you know, we see that and then, you know, we see these these these regular, just students that aren't athletes that are, you know, having terrible socials, troubles and skills, and they are the ones you know, hurting themselves and suicidal man, the student athlete, are you seeing that more often too?

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 9:58

Yeah, I mean, along those same lines, I I think really the social the social skills, I mean, to wrap up that last question, I think the social skills being a part of a team or you know, having that avenue is actually great for, you know, continuing to develop the skills, the social skills, but then the pressure that's put on them. One of the other things we hear is it's typically when I asked what do you guys want resources around, I said, I just had seven athletes before I jumped on here that that we were taking care of. And I'll ask them from time to time, like if we could talk about one thing, if we were going to make a course or, you know, get on stage and talk about something for an hour, what would it be, and it's mental health and time management. And these kids that go, you know, transition into college, and even college to professionals, like ask how many 30 year old professionals think they have their time management skills figured out, you know, some of them are lucky enough to have resources that handle it for them. Because it is tough, but you take a 1819 year old kid, and it's like, they know what they need to do. But the biggest problem is, is it's like, when do I need to be there? Well, I got class here, when do I study when I this? And just the pressure of the time management side is huge. And then, you know, how do I how do I break up life as an athlete in the locker room for six, eight hours, you know, six 810 hours a day, to being with my my narcs? That, that maybe aren't athletes? And how do we shut that down? I think there's a lot of pressure between, you know, the social side and grades, I mean, time management. It's, it's there's a lot more pressure than people think. And there's a lot of research out there to showing, you know, the the the polls, and in some of the data that they've shown that, you know, when you ask student athletes, there's a very high percentage that said, you know, they, they feel like they're behind, they feel like they're there's more stress in student athletes than there are in the general population of of the narcs. Have the students that maybe aren't athletes. So not only is there statistical data on that, but yeah, we're seeing that too. I mean, we're parked in between three big schools, Lindenwood, just went do one, but that are asking the same questions. And with my two athletic trainers that help out at local universities, they're saying the same things, they're seeing the same things we're talking about. So it's nice to have that impact and start to have some of those athletes come here where we do nine to one socially engage them, but hear them out, like, what are their biggest problems? What are their biggest stressors? Because yeah, I think they're under considerably more stress than people really realize. And not to ramble on. But I think a lot of people kind of take that for granted, too, as it's like, oh, well, you're an athlete, suck it up. And sometimes I think that's the most dangerous thing you can say, because they could literally be asking for help or not know, they need to, I don't think a lot of athletes think they're above anybody else. I think there's a confidence that they instill in themselves. And that's how they walk. And there should be a little chip on your shoulder. If you don't have one, I don't I don't want you on my team. But I think that could publicly put a lot of pressure on them too. Because I think there's a lot of times they're very misunderstood as well. So that's kind of a stereotype we're trying to change, teach the athlete how to deal with that, how to humble themselves, the relational side of that, but also get the public involved of like, Look, we're not trying to make excuses for them at all, we're not going to coddle them. But let's be a little more mindful of what they do have to go through and the traveling they do and the studies they have to keep up and what's put on them. Majority of these athletes aren't, are not blue chip athletes making $20 million a year on NIH bills, they have to get their classwork done, they have to show up, there's a lot of things they need to do. And that's that's a lot of stress and pressure for sure.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 13:30

There's something you, you, you mentioned a lot of variables. And there's one that you may vouch for. And that is a lose a athlete that's on a losing team or an athlete that's doing it's not doing well with their athletic abilities, but more so, you know, the the idea of if a team is losing their season, and you may end because you you actually also take care of the physical and the nutritional aspect of it. So are you would you happen to see more injuries amongst the losing team? Um,

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 14:18

you know, not really, I don't I don't think I don't think I'd say there's more on the losing team. I think there's more there. There's definitely some more of the discussion of I think you'll see a lot of athletes choose to have an injury, if you know what I mean. And that's kind of a sad way to go about it where it's like sometimes people chalk it up there's there's certain people that just chalk it up and you know, maybe they'll have a you know, a hamstring injury or something because they are having such a tough season. Definitely not the right way to go about it. But it happens but as far as like having true traumatic injury because of a losing season. I can't say I've seen that anymore. However it is A big I love I love that side of things on the mental side, because how do you ever How do you overcome the mental side? How do you stay engaged? So I would say the biggest injury is here. How do you manage the losing season? You know, how do you I mean, look at the Detroit Lions, I mean, they're playing in the AFC champ or the NFC Championship right now, three years ago, they couldn't win more than two games in two years. Like, how do you deal with that? That's probably the biggest injury we see on the losing team is you got to change the perspective.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 15:27

We were with the sorry, we were with the Miami Dolphins. And they went one win and 16 losses. We were surrounded by psychologists coming in and one of my favorite guys, I'd say I go, Oh, my God, what's going on? Here? He goes, Well, you think about it, they can't even go out. They can't go out to you know, their nightclubs or movies or dinner without someone, you know, getting in their face a fan or whatever. Like what's wrong with you? So there's a lot of emotional stress that, you know, turns into physical metaphors. This poor Bill

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 15:59

kicker. Was that this poor bills kicker after last weekend? Holy cow. Yeah. Like that's talking about changing the perspective, he should have never been in that scenario. And think of what you know, what's his and not he's not guaranteed a kind of a mental health conversation by any means. But do you think that could be involved? Maybe,

Dr. Terry Weyman: 16:19

you know, I always used to tell my kickers I go a kicker, you can never lose. So you either equal to the rest of the players or you're a hero, but you're the game, you're never the loser. And yet the society will go like I lost the game I got no the team lost the game. He just is equal to the to them. Because if you rely on that, that field goal to win the team and the team was in the redzone for how many times and they didn't get it in? It's it's not there. He's equal to a question. A question I have is something I've seen a lot of probably five years, I'm gonna hear your perspective on it. You're seeing now, you mentioned the NFL. So now with the NFL coming in, you're not getting these kids drafted out of high school as much unless they're a five star athlete and a four, three star athletes aren't getting aren't getting, they're having to go to JC schools or smaller schools and work their way up. But we're seeing kids transfer their junior year to go to a school that may have a more winning team or a better team scenario taking 15 year old 16 year olds, and they'd be moved all over, just for the thought process of trying to get him to a better school to hopefully get to a better program. And it's all based on growth. And and so how how you see in that, and then they're getting into college, and they're being transferred portals. So you're never Ganey relationships, like I used to in the locker room. You know, it's it's almost like when the Major League Baseball went into, you know, individuals instead of these teams that you don't start very few people like a Kelsey starts a team. And then fish retires with the same team. And now you're seeing at the highest level. So how are you handling the the mix of never ever relationships, which we all think is super important when it comes to sports?

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 18:09

Yeah, I think that it'll be it'll be fun to read to use this as a clip, and then look at it even just five or 10 years from now, of the players who have some of those big contracts, or the big NFL deals, I think I think you're going to continue to see that harm them. The one thing that Aaron and I, my athletic trainer, who's really a partner in the pure athlete at this point, we talk about all the time, is there's life after sport. And what's the statistics of how many of these even professional athletes there's a story of Mark Cuban seeing one of his power forwards in the middle of a median asking for money. And he used to play for the Mavericks like years back. So one, I'm afraid with how they're going to be able to manage that, do they have the right people in their corner again, I've got a great friend who's who were embarking on how to, he's a great financial advisor, who can help these kids and give them a lot of content on one how to manage it if they get it. But on the relational side of things, I think they're going to wish they just stuck not not just stuck in one state in one spot. But I think they would have been more more apt to focus on the relationship of how that comes about, no matter where you go, versus how much that is depends on where you go. I think it's going to harm a lot of them in the in the long term. If they're not concentrating, if they're concentrating on the wrong thing. Let's just call it what it is. If you want to focus on the money, like you're gonna get what you focus on to an extent, but at the end of the day, money can run out the way you manage your relationships, that that lasts forever. It can it's up to you to ruin it and it's up to you not to make it and I think that's that's one of the biggest things and probably the most underrated thing we talk about all the time. Physical number one, mental number two in relationships is probably The most underrated that we start talking about. Because the more hands you can shake, you don't know who's in the stands, you don't know who's behind the money in front of the money, you could take a deal that could have cost you, you could take a $20 million deal now and have that relationship for your four years of college. And you could have missed out on the relationship that was standing right next to it that didn't want to give you the money up front wanted you to earn it, you can miss out on$120 million later. So it's, you know, also the trajectory of where your career could go. I mean, there's so much. I think a lot of people make a quick decision making now decision and sacrifice a big outcome later, potentially, there's a lot of them that works out. That's not standard. But I think a lot of people will take the quick money, and then miss out potentially on the big money. But more importantly, they'll pass up the the simple relationships and miss out on the big relationships.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 20:51

You talk about leadership a lot in how important that is. Can you have more of a discussion about why that's so important and how you might help a athlete realize that they need to be a better leader?

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 21:10

Yeah, I think changing the perspective of the definition of a leader is important and how you get there. Leader leadership, leadership is earned. Leadership isn't a isn't a title. It's something you've earned. It's, it's, it's not given, it's earned. But it's an action. It's not a title. It's not a descriptive word. It's an it's an action. And so I think the a lot of what we talked about, and some of the athletes that I personally coach it that maybe aren't, don't have the sea on their chest yet. And maybe they strive for that. There's a lot of them that are starting to get the hint that it's action. Like you can you can lip service you could be you could be the first in the gym, you can do all of those kinds of things. But you know, Steve Nash led the league and high fives, that shit matters. Like, let's start talking about how it goes back to the relationship side of things. Are you there to be a leader so you can stand in the middle of the field at the beginning of the game and make the calls and you know, the coach looks to you on the field? Or are you truly trying to lead a team to beat make sure they're better today than they were yesterday? Are you holding yourself to that that next level standard? Do you have that Mamba mentality of, you know, I'm at least 1% better every day. And I think that's so important because I think a lot of people want to be looked at as leadership, they want to have that title, I think they think less comes with that or they're less under fire if they are a leader, where it's the exact opposite where everybody else needs to put in 110% and you need to put you need to put into 20 So that's something that I install from a leadership standpoint. For sure is just change the perspective on it's an action not a not an adjective necessarily.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 22:52

How do you how do you help a an athlete that's injured and doing the why me thing you know? Ever feel you got something special packed away in that brain of yours for that one?

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 23:09

Yeah, that's, that's, it's tough. You know, you look at you brought up the dolphins, you know, we watched a little bit of hard knocks and saw some of that and you see, you know, how many injuries that they have this year. You've got one of those I can't remember his name. But he's a great example of did everything almost lost everything in college came for a tryout made the team gets injured this year, having a career year at a pro bowl style of the year, gets injured early in the season. The victim mentality is easy to go to the mind wants you to be competitive, the mind wants to take the easy way out. Because the sooner you can just get over it and be like, You know what, why me? It's like, I can't believe it. It didn't happen to this person. I've done this a million times. You know, it's not in your way, it's on your way. And you know, I'm a firm believer that everything does happen for a reason, right? wrong or indifferent might not be the most popular statement ever. But it's you know, if you can land if you get knocked down and land on your back, at least you're looking up. You know, if you want to fall down, think first and kick and cry and scream. But at the end of the day, if you are injured, if you do take that injury, there is somebody that can learn from you, if you're willing to teach them in that time. If you're if you're willing to reallocate your time on the field or you're well not on the field, but your time at practice your time in the film room, your time with rookies or freshmen, your time with the coaches, if you can reallocate all that time you spent in the weight room and all that live action practice and all of the film time that you had to do because you were that starter, if you can reallocate that time and be like okay, how can I serve this team better? How can I help the coaching staff? How can I change the perspective? I said something on one of our podcasts recently, if you could coach without saying a word, and make a team successful, that's doing something if we can teach these kids and empower them now they Need a little lip service, they need a pat on the ass. And they need to be told like, look, it's it's not the end of the world, they need some of that confidence. They don't need coddled. But if we can get them to redirect and be like, Look, are you done now you don't kick in your feet, I get it. I'm with you. I hate that it happened. But let's take that brain space that you're in right now. Flip it because you have all of this time to pour into this rookie, you have all of this time to help me throw balls over the middle, you have all of this time to help us explain films from your perspective, you have more time that you can still invest and be potentially even more of an asset from a different angle. But if you want to kick and scream, that might be the door for you. So that's my biggest thing is just reallocate the time. Unfortunate, yes. But you can see your way out the door, if you want to play the victim card. Not always easy. But how much of that is talked about how much of that is coached on? And I think there's probably a fair amount, I'm sure I'm not the first one to say something like that. But it's like, how prevalent is that? Because I think that's a great question. And we we love talking about that the mental side of thing I'm not a sports psychologist don't claim to be, I just love the mental side of perspectives, that's my big word is perspectives, reallocate that time, stop playing victim, reallocate the time, because in the in the moment of anger, serve more, give more, you're gonna make yourself happier, the more you help people help people up off the ground, when you're hurt, it's gonna make you feel better that you're able to serve them in that moment.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 26:29

Justin, you are the epitome of what I share with my interns all the time is a physician is meant to inspire their patients, you have to be a motivator. And it's easy to be that way, when you get the rest of the medical profession being so, so dismal and having poor social skills. And they'll they'll diagnose you with with zero effect, and you're like, Oh, my God, I'm gonna die. You know? How do you? How do you? And I want to recognize that and you? And I think that's fantastic. How do you approach a patient that may be a new patient, or maybe an old patient or a new patient that has a fresh injury? And, you know, what do you ask them? What what do you how do you how do you draw this, this mood out of them?

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 27:27

Well, right, wrong or indifferent. Honestly, I try to get to the bottom of the barrel very quickly. And I kind of take that from myself. My wife and I, my wife Erica and I, we've we've always had a great relationship. And it's, you know, based on communication, much like it is with clients here. But I tell her all the time, I'm like, I told her very early when she's like, why are you being like this, I was like, I've got to get all the way to the bottom before I climb back out. She's like, well, that's a long way to go. And I was like, but the ladders tall. Just let me get to the bottom, and I'll climb back out. And the reason I say that is because sometimes you have to exhaust like, the kicking and screaming, like, go ahead. Harder, harder, like harder. Let's go keep screaming. But sometimes people need to realize they need to cap out at everything that is wrong. Because then what's left? It's like, well, what if this doesn't work? Because they get to such a point and you get rid of the emotion like as soon as they're done finding every reason that's wrong or bad or that, you know, they told me I needed a neck replacement at 35 when I was 12. It's like, okay, let's get past all of that. You're done now? Because now there's only one way to go is up. And it turns into, well, what if this wasn't worth? What if this doesn't work, too? That's fine. I love arm crossers, what if it does. So I let them go all the way down to the bottom of the barrel, and I'll provoke them. And sometimes I'll be like Dr. Terry, let me just tell you right now, we're gonna go all the way to the bottom of this barrel. And I'm going to provoke you until you're done. So let's do it. And we'll tell me everything that's wrong with me. Even need a snort.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 29:00

So, it won't take long, you can get stepladder and get out on me. So yeah.

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 29:07

But I just I love that avenue, because then you just exhaust all the bad options. And in also the people who want want out and that are invested in themselves. I told people when I had my family practice, and we saw, you know, 400 plus visits a week and I loved that I loved it. But, you know, I've always said if you're willing to invest in yourself, I'm willing to help. You know, I don't want to convince you. But if I can tell you invest in yourself, let's get all the way to the bottom because then we've just got clear sailing, you know, once we once we climb that ladder.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 29:39

I would ask you detail though. I mean, like how do you and you know, for our listeners and a lot of the doctors that are listening that you know, how are you digging? You know, guy comes in that he's a rock star athlete, he just blew out one of his rotator cuffs and may need surgery. What do you And he's miserable. What do you say to her? What do you How are you digging?

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 30:05

So the first question I asked, you know, there, he's miserable, he's going on and on, and I stopped them. I say, What are you scared of most? What are you scared of most? What's the what's the biggest thing this issue? Well, I can't throw the that ain't it? It ain't that you can't throw? What's the next thing? Well, I'm letting my team down. What's the next thing? So I figure out what what are they scared of most. And a lot of times it comes to it comes to family, or it comes to self image. And then once we go down that road, then like, I love the self image, because well, that's the not the answer we want to hear. It's the easiest one to start to self correct, which only makes them a better person long term. And because of that injury, now they become more pure as an athlete, and they're well rounded of like, if that would have never happened, I would have never had this perspective. You know, if it's a if it's a family providing thing, well, then again, we just changed the perspective. But I figure out what they're what they're most scared of, and an injury like that. And then transition from there, because they're willing to do the work. I mean, if you're any sort of athlete, it's like, the work is required, it's necessary, and they're willing to do it. But it's oftentimes you got to hit the mental side and figure out not what the problem is, and how it's going to affect their career. It's what they think the problem is. And the more we concentrate on the person and treat them as a person. I don't care about your career, oh, I was having an all star career. I'm in my 10th year I'm in a, I'm in a contract, you're, it's like you're missing the point, you are a person. I get to the personal side first, what's the biggest problem? What's What are you scared of? Because of it? And don't give me the athletic answer.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 31:50

Okay, so, first of all, I love where you're going with this. So I'm going to dig deeper with you for a moment here. So now, you've got them down to the bare bones most painful, you know, perspective. And it may be self it may be being a provider? And how do you how do you turn it around? How do you? How do you? How are you? What are you asking him? Or what are you sharing with them to pull them back out?

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 32:18

Sometimes all people need to hear is, you're in the right place. I'm here for you. Honestly, right. Yeah. It's like, you know, you get traded, you walk through the door of a new facility. And it's like, Hey, you got bullpens and 20. It's like, No, you're in the right place. They need community, they need support. Not coddled, they need support, but they need to be treated like a person. So I mean, that's, that's really the easiest, the easiest part is, again, once you get down to the bottom of the barrel, and all you have to do is like, look, we're going to bring you back, you just gotta be honest with them. Yeah, and you're in the right place, and you build a community around them, you feed them people, you feed them resources. That way, they you can tell somebody, you look, you're not alone in this, you're in the right place, but then they see who else is around them, you start connecting with people relationally, you give them resources that have gone through the same thing, you give them very specifics, it's like look, Jackson had the same injury, he did this, this and this, yours is a little different, because of the position you play and how this is going about. And when you had this done, and the season that we're in, this is how we're going to do it a little different. And they see it's about them, it's not about the injury, and you literally show them that they're in the right place. That's how you turn it all around, treat them as a person, they're not an injury, they're not a number, that number on the back is just signifying their, you know, you know that they're on the team that doesn't define who they are. They're a person, tell them that they're in the right place. And if they're not find the resources for them to put them in the right place. You know, I could you know, one of the athletes here that, you know, I see from Houston, it's like, you know, what, if I don't have the facility, it's like, maybe I sent him out to Dr. Terry, it's like, just give them the game plan and treat them as a person and tell them no matter what, you're in the right place. If I don't have the answer, I'll find it. Right.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 34:03

Yeah.

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 34:04

What else do you need? What else do you need from me? How's your wife? How's your kids? Do you need help getting them to practice? Like, is there anything we can do for you treat them as a person?

Dr. Spencer Baron: 34:13

That's great. You ever have to bring in a parent or or talk to a coach off to the side maybe?

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 34:23

Yeah, that's kind of required in our in our initial evaluation we do with all of our athletes. We call it the pure athlete evaluation where you guys know Dr. Trent Nessler, we've collaborated with him to Yeah, he's doing some great, great work. And so we use part of his analysis and I requires, especially from the very beginning to have the parents there as we put them through this evaluation. So I like to have that relationship from the beginning. I also liked the fact that look, don't be texting me about your kid. You know, there's a time and place for that. Here's the emergency scenarios with that. But we want them again, this Social skills to communicate with me. It's like if they have any questions if you're concerned about anything, Major, yes, absolutely, like, call me. But the more that we can get through the athlete, especially the younger athletes we're talking tend to, you know, tend 18 tend to 20. But there is times where I do bring parents in from one to two perspectives. You know, I've had some of the parents who, like I mentioned before, 3443 home runs a strikeout and the problems the strikeout, you know, mom or dad goes, what happened with the strikeout? And if that's persistent, you know, if that's consistent and persistent, then it's like, okay, I don't need to be telling the athlete like, Look, you gotta get over it. Here's how you do that. It's like, no, no, at some point in time, it's as people, it's like, look, you're treating this person? What if this wasn't your kid? Would you say the same thing? You know, we've had some of those conversations, and vice versa, where these kids aren't taking their, their program, we do a whole really high investigative bloodwork protocol, where I know the the athletes not taking it seriously. And it's like, boom, you guys in here, we'll do it in this room, actually. And we're gonna hash it out look, and we'll make it very serious. And I'll and I'll help the parents kind of navigate how to communicate that. But that way, they're in the No, even the even the adults, the 22 year olds, we all we have them sign the releases, so their parents can have their information. I think that's important. Because at any one time, if I need to hold some high accountability, mommy and daddy are coming. Like, they're not scared of the coach. It's like no, go to my mom and dad. They can be 22 years old, and on the way to the big leagues. It's like, no, don't tell them. It's like, Yeah, we're gonna bring it in. So yeah, I mean, there's definitely scenarios where I think that's important. But I think there's also scenarios where they need to kind of hold themselves accountable and be able to manage some of that on their own.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 36:45

About the coaches, sometimes during the core of the problem. And yeah, anytime you have discussions with them, or opportunities, so yeah,

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 36:56

yeah, yeah, no doubt, I think, you know, at the end of the day, I think a lot of coaches have have two things in mind. That is the the athletes and in in, you know, they have their health and their accountability, their performance in mind, and they want to win. Like, you know, you just want to have fun, no, everybody wants to win. I don't care what anybody says, it's like, as long as you're having fun, you're winning. No, that's not true. So it is a, it can be a very sensitive topic, because with high emotion, it clouds judgment and decision making. But I think a lot of coaches too, especially locally, as we've rolled this out, are very open to once they drop their guard a little bit, because they're very protective of their teams to for all of the right reasons. Sometimes they get a little jaded. But right now, we have a lot of coaches that are like, Where was this when I was a freshman in high school. This is so many great, you know, topics from the three pillars that we talked about. So but I do think you know, there's some of those coaches, and I think you need to be very, especially as you transition into college, that's something you need to sniff out, is it's not always the deal that they're trying to make, make sure it's somebody that you vibe with and want to play for. I mean, Bobby Knight, great coach, definitely a different coaching style, not really my style, I wouldn't have went to IU to play basketball, not that it's less of a coach, but you just have you know, there's different environments, different coaching, look at somebody like Saban or Phil Jackson. And, you know, I think there's, I don't, there's definitely a wrong way to coach. But I think now more than ever, I do believe that more coaches are looking for resources and how to, you know, have some of these conversations or putting staff in the right place or want resources, where it's like, Look, I can't change me, I don't know how to have that conversation. But if I can be aware of what's going on with each one of my athletes and different scenarios, I just want to be able to have the resources to point them to. But again, it just goes back to every player on your team might have a number on their back, they're still a person. Keep that in mind and figure out what inspires each athlete individually. There's only so many ways to do that. So it's like, Oh, I've got 110 kids on my football team. It's like yeah, but you really only have three or four ways that you need to figure out how to inspire and then fit that to each athlete. Or, or even reprimand, like sometimes sometimes you need the switch man and you're gonna or you're gonna run take off grand poles. But how you also I don't even want to say punished but how you reinspire as I like to say matters to it's like how do you discipline How do you encourage you know, there's feel felt found there is you know, love languages are real like how do you how do you find more out about each one of your athletes take time and learn about your athletes because how they are under the helmet. You know how they are behind the mask? Is Is there their personal preference? learn who they are? Because that's the athlete they are that's how their mindset is their mind doesn't change means once they're on the field, they just perform, they're still the same person figure out how, what drives them, how they respond. And use that to your advantage. Not your voice. Not you're not you're not your volume. Yeah,

Dr. Spencer Baron: 40:14

you actually said some magic just a moment ago that I want to highlight and that is really know your athlete and it takes, you know, it's a special skill to really understand. You know, when I worked for Jimmie Johnson, he had a degree in industrial psychology, so he knew how to motivate people. And then, you know, Bill Parcells was just, he knew how to get into the, into the athletes head. And it was fascinating how he would, you know, figure out what would drive somebody. And then and then when we had Coach Saban who failed miserably, miserably, the pros, he, he ran an operation out of fear and oppression. And it was a blanket approach to everyone. And it's, it was just fascinating how, when, you know, we were doing bad. People said, Screw him, we're not supporting him. And so, you know, what you said is the is the jewelry of understanding, you know, your athlete and what drives him. It takes, it takes a skill, and it's personal. I want to transition a little bit from the mental side and ask you more about physical stuff, because that is obviously your first specialty. And, you know, talk to me about, you know, specialization in sports and how, you know, we're seeing athletes that are, you know, a one sport program, one sport, you know, perennial, you know, athlete, and that's not the way it used to be when, when, but you know,

Dr. Terry Weyman: 41:56

right, yeah. What

Dr. Spencer Baron: 41:57

do you see these days? What do you think about that?

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 42:02

Well, I think, you know, I'm not a big fan of diversity of a portfolio necessarily, when it comes to athletes shouldn't say, I'm not a fan, I, you know, if it had a scoreboard I played it, I was in everything from a race car behind a golf club. I was a big baseball guy, that was my thing. I played a lot of football. So it's like, if it had a scoreboard, I played it. And I think there's a lot of value to that. Because I mean, you want to talk about the neurology and the development centers of the brain. And, you know, people like to talk about muscle memory. It's like Newsflash, muscles don't have brains. There's no memory, it's a learned pattern. It's a skill. It's it's reproducibility based on a, you know, a cortical senator, like, you're literally building connections to be able to do a skill. And, you know, even like, I never really got to finish my hockey career when I moved from from LA to St. Louis, when I was very young. But I played hockey, even when I was younger, and I didn't get to do that. But now my boys are playing hockey. So I'll tell this as a story. I think it's very important to have some sort of diversity in what you play. You don't have to play all of the things. But you can, you can also strategically like kids, or if they love sports, they're going to love multiple sports, they're going to enjoy playing sports and competing. Now, I think you can have some strategy and teach them a little bit of strategy and even as a parent, don't push them to play what you want them to play, but have a little bit of strategy where it's like, okay, you know, you can think of golf hockey, soccer are three great sports to pair together. The golf swing and the hockey you know, slapshot in hockey is kind of the same on the on the same plane, you have the footwork that it takes. So now you've got soccer there. Typically there can be in three different seasons. Now everything seems like it's year round anymore. But now you've got potentially three different seasons with three different sports and the coordination abilities and the learned patterns of how you move and hand eye coordination a Puck or a wrist shot to how you release the hands in a golf swing to the footwork, playing soccer and juggling the ball. You see all those guys in the you know, in the outside the locker room, you know, juggling balls, before a hockey game. I think it's very important just developmentally, to play multiple sports, to pack your schedule and play as many sports as possible. No, at the beginning, introduce them to introduce them to sport in general. Teach them how to carry themselves through competition and how to lose better very quickly. I always tell people, I hate losing more than I like winning. That's not the greatest mindset to have. So figure out how they are as a competitor and figure out what they take to and then compile that. I truly think I haven't heard this before. But I truly think you can be very strategic if you want it to be because we only have so much time we'd love to do whatever our kids want to do as they're growing up and give them the world and be at 16 different places at 16 Different times or the sick or the 16 different places at the same time. But I think you can be Strategic too. And I think there's a lot of value to having multiple sports being played throughout, you know, your 810 1216 year old days. And then you can start to narrow down after that. So I wouldn't say, throw all your eggs in one basket might I had a lot of people say I should have continued my football career and Wisconsin didn't, I have no regrets, but the availability and what that gave me just mentally and what sport was about and how I can apply different visions differently into different sports, it's like I was a catcher. So behind a catcher's mask, sitting back behind the plate, and that vision that I had going over the middle of catch a football, just literally vision wise, and seeing the field and who is out there, and how my guys were responding to certain plays, the coordination of, you know, glove hand, going from one hand to two hands, and there's just so much that's advantageous to playing multiple sports, I do believe it's super important. But I think you can be strategic, you don't need to play necessarily eight or nine unless you want to, if you have that capacity, do it. There's nothing wrong with that. But you can be strategic with a few for sure. So

Dr. Spencer Baron: 46:08

So you have a patient, I'm sure you've had many patients that have come in, maybe with their parent, and they're playing one sport all year round. And it's kind of it's almost humorous. At this point, they get they go, you know, how often are you playing tennis? And they say, you know, what, we practice five days a week. And you go, Oh, that's good. One of the tournaments, oh, on Saturday and Sunday, so they're doing seven days a week, all year round. What do you say to them when they're coming in with tennis elbow or super spine? Eight is tendinitis? I mean, you can do so much healing. What do you what do you what do you tell them how to participate? So

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 46:56

that the first thing I tell people and I had to I had to go through this just the other day is, we see a lot of dance world right now to a lot of hip labrum 's and things like that. And this girl was in tears, because she knew what I was gonna say. I always lead with, I'm here to make sure you're on the floor, on the court between the lines as much as possible. If I truly think that you are in danger, I will pull you but my job is not to tell you why you have to sit out my job and my my heart, my passion, my vision, for everything I do with student athletes is to make sure you can do what you want and love to do. Whenever you want to do it. I want to have you on the field not tell you why you need to sit off. So if we can fix it quickly. Let's fix it. Now, the training schedule, they're practicing five days a week, they're, you know, their competitions are over the weekend, sometimes multiple during each day of Saturday and Sunday. I just had a volleyball player go to Chicago, and he played six games and basically a day and a half success and oh my holy cow, Connor. But that's that is what it is. So what I do in having the conversation, the first thing I ask is, what are you doing in those in those first five days before the weekend? I am all for training seven days a week. And that can be a different conversation because there's consistency in that. It's what training is what day? What are you doing each day? I love the consistency of seven days. But now we get to go into the training side and be very again strategic and particular about what are we doing Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, and figure that out the injury side of things. It's there's a time for rest. You know, again, the seven days doesn't mean you're 12 hours a day training. But you know, you there's so much more on the nutritional side. There's so much and the technology and some of the things that we use here to be able to bring people back from that. You know, having the inflammation conversation. Inflammation, I think is very underrated. I think there's better ways to take care of it than our than our norms will say. But it also it makes the longer inflammations in a certain area, it only makes the tissues more brittle. So how can we train accordingly to still get that consistency, if possible, as long as it's not like a tear? You know, we're having tendinitis, not full thickness tears. We're having tendinitis issues. Okay, well, is there anything we can do on the training side to promote, you know, proper movement of inflammation, limp flow and things like that? How can we adjust that schedule to make sure they stay consistent, because we all know too. All it takes is one day to turn into next week, taking two days off or adjusting that schedule. It takes 16 weeks to get into shape. It takes a week and a half to get out. So the consistency is key. But there's some times you have to have that conversation. It's like here's how we need to rest. Also, a great way to throw another sports is it's like okay, well you're not you know, if you're a pitcher in baseball, it's like okay, well, you're not throwing bullpens for for six to 10 days, if you're just not I have to protect who you are. But everything else that we can do, here's how you're going to train going forward. Here's what you can do in training with the upper half. Here's how we're going to train the lower half and shift the focus and the mentality on not what's wrong. But how I'm going to get better everywhere else. That's a lot of the conversation, I will have

Dr. Spencer Baron: 50:23

recovery and regenerative therapy. are you how are you educating the patients on understanding recovery in the absence of pain?

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 50:38

Yeah, again, recovery is we do recovery nights here at the office. Now we've had shoot probably a dozen teams already, since Christmas, come in and do some of our work, we call it our recovery hallway. It is very, very important. Just because there's no symptom, you know, doesn't mean there's something wrong. It's, it's, you know, where there's, that doesn't always smoke isn't always the first sign of fire. It's just a sign of fire. Right? So that's, that's one of the analogies I use to and also buy a Ferrari tell me how you take care of it. You know, wait till the engine starts knocking to change the oil, like, What the hell are we doing here, it's, like, you know, like you are a specimen, everybody is I don't care if you're a CPA that doesn't have an athletic bone in your body. But if you know, if you are an athlete, it's like, we're all a pristine piece of art. And you want to wait till the till the fire alarm starts going off and depend on something like insurance to fix it. It's like that doesn't always happen. You know, sometimes there's there's not coverage enough to bring you back from where you were when all you had to do is take care of it in the first place. So the the recovery side of things I do love talking about, and I will use those analogies, because it's like how many people like what's your favorite car. And a lot of you know, a lot of these, again, we're big in dance world right now, which is super awesome. My wife's a dancer, or dance coaches are one of our ATS. So we've been doing the recovery nights, and I said, What's your favorite car? And they're all like, oh, Range Rover? It's like, yeah, of course it is. Yeah, absolutely. I said, How would you take care of that if you know, you went and got a Range Rover and an NFL deal like tomorrow, maybe I call me and I'm like, wash it every day. I was like, great. That's why you guys are sitting in these boots. That's why we're telling you guys to get IVs. That's why when you have any sort of inflammation, we start talking tissue regenerative therapy, because I don't care that it's not broke, I care that it's dirty. And you deserve to have the most pristine piece of art as shiny as possible. And it's going to save you points on the floor every single time. Proper structures, proper function, proper recovery is proper care. You know, what's one of the analogies is? Proper Preparation Prevents piss poor performance.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 52:52

Yeah, like

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 52:54

when are we going to start being creative and stop being reactive, right? We all want to take care of ourselves when it hurts when it sucks when we're sick. When a lot of that can really be handled on the front end.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 53:06

It's great. It's rare, I usually say success is where preparation meets opportunity, you know, and so I like to, I can tell you so the I just learned something from you, that is absolutely fantastic. Instead of telling the patient, you know, you're a Ferrari, you know, you need maintenance, you need to you know, if you're a racecar, they go to the they take pitstops you know, to make sure everything's fine. But you turn that into a question and made them answer. And I think that is that is beautiful, because now they have to be responsible for the answer. And the answer that they gave is like revelation for them. So thanks for that. That

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 53:50

was Yeah, no problem. Again, treat them as a person. Let them give you the answers. They know all the answers. Like we are all so smart. And I tell that to all my athletes. I was like I don't care if you're 10 years old, you're smart. What do you think you should do? What is your favorite car? What is your favorite color? What are your favorite cleats? Okay, let's just figure out how to get you what you want and make sure we're doing it properly

Dr. Terry Weyman: 54:12

that's that's the way I'm sorry that's why I chose a Hugo because it doesn't take that much to you know keep it on the road

Dr. Spencer Baron: 54:21

even make you goes anymore Right?

Dr. Terry Weyman: 54:23

Yeah

Dr. Spencer Baron: 54:29

you better watch that Pinto Pinto

Dr. Terry Weyman: 54:32

just super simple. I'm

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 54:34

not sure I'd want anything different on the one on one freeway out there.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 54:38

That's where we play bumper cars out there. There's it's you know they run from when you have a dented car they run from you. Yeah, it's like pristine stuff that Cisco easy. It does.

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 54:54

That could be your recovery conversation all together. Why don't you drive the Mercedes that you have at home because I'm going down the one oh why's He's trying to fix it. I know what's gonna happen.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 55:06

Buddy. Dustin, I want to, before we, we enter our rapid fire questions I want to ask you what drives you man what personally motivates you to do what you do

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 55:22

changing changing the stereotype of very misconceived things that are worth doing. Like chiropractic law, like, you know, providing resources that should have been provided a long time ago, fighting for people who are worth fighting for, and more importantly, fighting for people that need to feel worth they that need to feel that they are worth fighting for. It think this is more than just athletes. For me, I think that is ready, you know, be the change you want to see in the world. I think a lot of us need to have more self worth more confidence, more resources, more more things to trust. That's the biggest thing I'm finding is people don't know where to go and who to trust. So I think it's for me that what drives me is that everybody deserves an opportunity to have their question answered, and to know what's available, not be provoked, and emotionally manipulated to make a decision that maybe they don't want to make. Honestly, that's why we took chiropractic out of the name of our practice a couple of years ago, a lot of I consider myself very principled in chiropractic. As far as the adjustment is concerned, if I was going to do one thing, I would adjust and that would be it. But I don't want to be so naive, that there's not other great things to get people farther faster. But we took chiropractic out of the name because of the stereotype. So when people asked, I didn't know you're a chiropractor, I said, Good, because this is what this looks like. And so you know, even on athletic care. In dance world gymnastics world, we just had Lindenwood here just cut a bunch of sports and two of them being our artistic athletes, as we like to call them. And it's like, you know, providing resources for them. It's like there's still not, there's still a lot of those teams that aren't NCAA approved or haven't been given that opportunity that have even less resources that are winning championships at a different division. That should be the one. And it's like changing the stereotype of just because they're artistic athletes, and it doesn't look like you know, sweat on the floor, a lot of contact and you know, big scoreboards and huge stadiums. It's like they're still athletes, let's change the stereotype of who gets what and why. And that's really what drives me is, is if I can create a ripple like I'm not, I like to fly under the radar, I joke with my older brother or my younger brother, he's very much Hi fly. And you know, I will stand in the spotlight, where if I can just create a ripple and be on the front end of something like this. Like, I love doing this stuff. I love doing the podcast, if it was somebody else, if it was Erin in here talking to you guys, I know that I've had an impact on her that she would be well equipped to get the point across just like I would. So I don't need to be the spotlight. I just need to create a ripple to give people just a clarity of mind that there are resources out there, remove the stereotypes of them, and let them make a logical decision not an emotional decision. And it's it's really what does it for me. I'm just happened to do it in the athletic world, but it translates across, everybody.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 58:34

Thanks. That's cool. All right, you ready for five rapid fire questions. Got it. All right. Let's do it. Here we go. Now a little bit of criteria for you. You got to answer. You know, brevity is brilliant. You got to answer in a succinct manner. But damn it, we always get caught up in ASCII. And

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 58:55

I like how he led with that, like, you've been so long winded this whole time. I've got to put I've got to put the choke collar on and

Dr. Spencer Baron: 59:01

I say this on everybody. No, this is fantastic. It's gonna be a stretch, but it'll be good. Alright, so now question number one. Are you ready? Dustin, you already

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 59:12

speak let's say more, speak less, say more.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 59:19

Would you rather tie the game and ensure going into overtime, or risk at all and go for the win?

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 59:31

Tie the game. It's more than me that we just need an opportunity. It's this it's bigger than me. I'm not gonna pass up a great shot. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna pass up a hanging curveball, but my intention is to have an opportunity. Nice. I don't need to be the hero.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 59:48

All right. All right. Question number two. By the way, that was that was pretty good. Question number two best story An athlete told you that's still makes you laugh?

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 1:00:03

Oh, man.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:00:05

Probably a lot of

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 1:00:07

Oh, man. Well, well, the so this one will be brief. So there was a buddy of mine in one I did some, some baseball stuff down in Florida. During during practice, somehow somebody got into his locker, which wasn't hard to do. And he ended up with his sister's wardrobe in his locker to change into after practice. They took his clothes, and left him with his with, with some of his sister's wardrobe, because they lived together, down in Florida, and she was going to college. And he was we were playing baseball together. And I think there was conspiring effect where we came out and he was in his towel and getting ready to get dressed. And he's got these Victoria's Secrets and the skirt with a crop top and like, oh, boy, and his clothes were nowhere to be found. Yeah, that was. That's the kind of story I think of when you tell me that. And I'm like, Oh, man. Luckily, he had the personality of well, you know, I might try these on and I was like, no, no, you can't do that. That never goes away. I was like, Well, we'll find you some clothes. But everybody stuck it to him for a while. And that was, you know, he pulls out a little purple Victoria's Secrets and can't find his own underwear, that was pretty difficult. So

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:01:33

I have to laugh even harder. That reminds me of when the New York Mets were in town. And I went to the stadium to take care of them. And I had done that for years. And one of them was, you know, I was working on somebody and a couple of them were laughing off to the side and they go what's going on the catcher at the time, I won't mention his name. But he did allow me to use this story in some of my lectures. And they said that you know how superstitious baseball players can be while he slept with a woman the night before and had a career high night. And I go Alright, cool. That's cool. And he goes, Yeah, but today he's wearing he stole her underwear. And he's wearing it right now under his uniform. And I said, Whoa, you're kidding. He pulls his pants down, man and I took a photograph of that thing. I left leopard print thong with pink lace on the outside to do it's a good thing. You're wearing your undergarments or that thing be driving right up there. But anyway, that's another

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 1:02:35

release. Tell me it was playoff time. Like, at least tell me it was.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:02:38

It was close. Yeah, it was. And he and he was a catcher, so he had to score. What floss? Alright, so anyway. Question number three. Question number three, in a sentence or less? Why do you love being a chiropractor?

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 1:03:04

I mean, with what I've learned in almost 10 years of practice right now. I just want to be a resource. I tell people I'm smarter than I look, I just want to be a resource. I don't have the answer. We'll find it. Some of them say Oh, thank God. But I you know, the quick answer is why do I love to be a chiropractor is I just I just want to be a resource. And the second sentence to that is with everything we know, with what we do, what we can provide and how we think I think we do a lot of us do a great job of thinking very critically and outside of the box. There's so many things we can provide to prevent piss poor production, right, you know, his poor performance, honestly. So I just I love to be a resource from a different angle.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:04:00

That's great. Question number four, best health tip you tell your patients that it may be something that you repeat often or unique for you.

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 1:04:13

health tip there's a there's really, there's really a couple of them in their in their overthought. But the best one I give is somebody is depending on you to be your best. And, again, getting them into their own mindset of what that means. That's the biggest health tip I can give because you got to get them on board to know that they're enough. You know, I can tell them drink all the water in the world take all these proper supplements based on their blood work get adjusted. But at the end of the day, you know they have to They don't need to understand why what we do works. They need to understand that somebody's somebody, and it's not the same person every day, but somebody's counting on them to be their best every day.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:05:12

That's fantastic. That that, like the the dimension that takes to thanks for sharing that. Question number five. Last one. What tip have you learned from a guest on your show that you implemented into your daily routine?

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 1:05:29

Don't praise the statistic that was very, very recent. And wish I'd have learned it sooner. We have implemented that that came out on a podcast recording that will literally release tomorrow. I'm super glad you added that I've got chills just thinking about that. I just did a long form posts the other day, the number one thing that I have learned and taken from somebody is it was a story he had told and I just came up with a one liner. I was like, you know, what you just taught me well is stop praising the statistic.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:06:08

Well, we're just going to have to listen to your podcast to find out the better part of that story. That is fantastic, because I don't want you to reveal too much because we need to

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 1:06:21

I was waiting for you either the carrot or if you were gonna dive into it, but

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:06:25

I was this but I said, you know, let's be fair. I'm gonna have people get motivated to listen to you. Do to get more of the juice out of that one?

Dr. Terry Weyman: 1:06:34

Absolutely. In fact, we're gonna close on that note and I want I want everybody listening to show the tuned into the pure athlete and listen to this podcast listen and support this endeavor that that we have Dustin's doing and, and, and leaving our comment section on our show what you what the answer to that last question is, you know, and and to prove that you actually listened to that the show, so I think that'd be an awesome way to to find out what the statistics were human meant by that. So leave that in the comment section our show. Dustin, thank you so much for being taking the time out of your busy schedule. And being part of that

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 1:07:17

thank you guys. I really appreciate it. I love what you guys are doing as such a awesome time meeting you guys out in Vegas too. And hopefully we can do anytime you you need to fill in an episode. I'd be happy to be on with you guys. I love what you guys are doing. So thank you again, very helpful.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 1:07:31

Awesome. appreciate our bye you have a good one. Thanks. Keep doing what you're doing and keep helping those and keep putting Chiropractic in a better light than it was before you got here.

Dr. Dustin Bosson: 1:07:42

Guaranteed buddy. Thank you guys. Alright man.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:07:49

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