Learn to work smarter, not harder- Dr. Jenn Hartmann

Welcome to the podcast where we explore the incredible journey of Dr. Jenn Hartmann. Driven by an insatiable thirst for knowledge and a passion for helping others, Dr. Hartmann's path to becoming a licensed chiropractor is nothing short of inspiring.

But her story doesn't begin there. Starting out as a massage therapist, Dr. Hartmann's journey was shaped by her unwavering dedication to learning and growth. Fueled by a love of sports, nutrition, and women's health, she pursued new avenues of study, constantly seeking to expand her expertise and impact.

Yet, like many of us, Dr. Hartmann faced obstacles along the way. She experienced setbacks and challenges that tested her resilience and resolve. But through it all, she remained steadfast in her commitment to finding her own path and making a difference in the lives of others.

From the school of hard knocks, Dr. Hartmann emerged with invaluable lessons to share. She understands the importance of time and the power of working smarter, not harder. And now, she's on a mission to help others unlock their hidden potential, find passive income streams, and reclaim their time.

Join us as we dive deep into Dr. Jenn Hartmann's remarkable journey, exploring the lessons she's learned, the obstacles she's overcome, and the wisdom she's gained along the way.

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Join us as we talk to some of the greatest minds and discover some of the most incredible gems you can use to maintain a higher level of health. Crackin Backs Podcast

Transcript

Dr. Spencer Baron: 0:01

welcome to the podcast featuring Dr. Jenn Hartman. A remarkable individual whose journey from massage therapist to licensed chiropractor embodies resilience, determination and a relentless pursuit of knowledge. That garden is passion for sports, nutrition and Women's Health has driven her to continually expand her expertise, pushing boundaries and breaking barriers along the way. Through personal challenges and setbacks, she learned the invaluable lessons of working smarter, not harder. And now she's on a mission to share that wisdom with others. Drawing from her own experiences and the school of hard knocks. Dr. Hartman empowers listeners to unlock their hidden potential, reclaim their time and discover pathways to passive income. Join us as we delve into Dr. Hartman's inspiring journey, and uncover the secrets to success in with it. Welcome to the show, Dr. Jenn, we, we have quite a you have quite a postgraduate level of degrees, from sports to nutrition, what made you go beyond your basic chiropractic degree and go deeper into postgraduate education?

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 1:24

You know, I think I fell into that category of continual seeker of knowledge. I was very blessed to have some excellent mentors, people I looked up to for chiropractic in chiropractic school. I was a massage therapist before going to chiropractic school, I went to national. And so I think just that continual drive to want to do a little bit more find out a little bit more, how can I have as many tools as possible in order to deliver the kind of care that you know, I wanted to deliver in order to get the best fastest and most efficient results for my patients? But yeah, I mean, I think it just comes down to a lifelong of always just seeking you know, seeking for knowledge seeking for the best way seeking for curiosity sake really

Dr. Spencer Baron: 2:21

well, you know, there's 70,000 licensed chiropractors out there and why you are on our show is because the ever evolving world of nutrition and health and your specialty and understanding some of that I'd like to focus a little bit about that your perspective. You know, especially since you enjoy the sports world and working with athletes. Do you have any anything you'd like to start off sharing about, you know, cognitive health and longevity and, or even something that you would do special for athletes,

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 2:54

when actually when I was 31, I went and did a Spectracell test. I was went to school became a dietitian. Never went the whole registered route because I worked in a hospital at the time and it just didn't feel right. Right. It was more reactionary. It was more like okay, do this do that. But it wasn't how am I helping them? How am I driving vitality? healthspan it was more like, you know, here's your caloric intake. This is what you're supposed to do. This is the RDA values never resonated with me. And so flash forward, I went to massage therapy school at national. Then I went into chiropractic school directly after that. And I fell in love with just Biochemistry all over again. And I came across Dr. Ron Grisanti, who is now he's the guy who runs FMU, if you know what I'm talking about functional medicine University. I went through got a Spectracell test done and 31. I was like well, I have a history of heart disease. I have a history of like some other things. At the time, my mom was getting ruled out for MDS, which was myelodysplastic syndrome, which eventually about anywhere from six to 10 years will turn into acute myeloid leukemia. And so I just wanted to get a baseline. And when my numbers came back, Dr. Grisanti actually, he's the one that called me up and read my results. And he said, so I know you're a chiropractor. I know you're 31 I know that you are a dietitian, and I know you live in Philadelphia now and you grew up in Chicago. He goes who in your family has Alzheimer's. And I just about hit the floor. I mean, because I was going into this like, oh, well, you know, my dad had a triple A, my mother's grant and my mother's grandfather, my mother's father, they had all hard stuff. I literally my hit my jaw hit the floor. I said I'm sorry. What? What did you just say? He goes, Yeah, he goes, I'm looking at your stuff. And he goes, You gotta get some things figured out. He's like, this is not looking good. My glutathione was low my selenium was low. I had some nitric acid oxides that I mean, might be 12 might be six might be two. And he for 31 years old, like you would never expect to hear a that. And then be go, oh God, well, but I'm, I'm active, I'm healthy I read, I read write I understand. i Yes, I drink Yes, I eat fast food sometimes for like I've for the most part, I'm not eating garbage every day. And it just triggered me it literally triggered me. And so anyway, that's a kind of a, an odd way to get to the fact that, you know, nutrition is truly like the cornerstone for all things. Because what you put in and how your body manages that is going to ultimately determine your outcome, your performance, how

Dr. Spencer Baron: 5:57

did what is Alzheimer's? Did they tell you what Alzheimer's or potential for Alzheimer's looks like under Specter. So

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 6:04

well, what he noted to me, it was just what my particular profile, how deficient I was, I think based on my age, and based on just me really, you know, I was deficient in glutathione. I was deficient in selenium, I was severely deficient in B two and B six. And then I was also deficient in a couple other amino acids. And so he I literally like so I just couldn't believe it.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 6:35

I want to switch gears a little bit and ask you about what your thoughts are on intermittent fasting because it's been you know, it seems to be talked about often works for some doesn't for others, what are your thoughts on it?

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 6:49

Well, I was a I was a sick comer of trying it, that's for sure. You know, my my partner and I we had a kid 10 years ago, well, nine years ago, she just turned nine. And you know, you don't realize I was in the best shape of my life before she came around. And I just slowly declined in my in my you know, 40s and so I bout that, oh, maybe two years ago. I was like I got um, I'm gonna get in shape. I'm gonna get this figured out. What I needed to do was, you know, stop having my you know, MacAllan 18 Every once in a while, and I probably would have felt better anyway. Wait,

Dr. Terry Weyman: 7:28

wait, wait, stop. You don't stop that McCallum. If you're going to stop you move it to the McAllen, 25 or 30. You don't stop, slow

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 7:37

down, slow down. If not by your pocketbook.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 7:42

You just get better. And that will slow you down because more expensive but doesn't mean you stop.

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 7:50

I know I know I am. I am a fond I am a fun person have some of those brown. But I've cut out actually I haven't had a drink since Thanksgiving. And it's been I've been feeling great. But back to the intermittent fasting. It did not work for me. I mean, it did not work for me at all. And then you can't talk about intermittent fasting without talking about hormones and all this kind of stuff. So, you know, diving more into the intermittent fasting as it relates to hormones, and then how it relates to Well, what a good test to do. I just feel like, for me, my experience was yes, it helped because I was curbing some of my, you know, my cravings, I was trying to reregulate some of my sugars and all that kind of stuff. But, you know, again, it always comes back, I always come back to the fact that one pill does not fix all and you know, your age, your activity level, your genetics, you know, all of those things absolutely play a role. I mean, and you you take time working through those things. And, you know, for instance, right, Dr. Baron, you know, you just celebrated another birthday. And you know, here, you're, I feel like you're in better shape now. And I know you went through a massive health challenge the past few years. And if you weren't in the shape that you were and you didn't understand and know the things that you did, it would be a completely different outcome. But you you earn, that you earn that through consistency, you earn that through choices, you earn that through the previous 30 years of what you've decided to make choices about. And so when we look to intermittent fasting or we look to paleo or we look to go vegan or whatever it is that somebody says this is how you're going to feel your best self. The question doesn't need to be Let me just go and try it. The question is, okay, how am I feeling with that? And so with intermittent fasting, I felt good for like a month. And then I didn't, you know, and even as a physician, I'm like, Okay, why I'm following the rules I'm reading the book I'm doing this stuff wasn't for me. So

Dr. Spencer Baron: 10:21

you brought up a good point about hormones, women are just starting to learn more than, you know, than just using estrogen or birth control things, then they're starting to become more understanding, and doctors are starting to pay more attention to the dynamics in hormone. And do you have any thoughts about, you know, how you would guide somebody, you know, patients with that? Need an evaluation like that?

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 10:54

Yeah, I've actually had that experience a lot lately. Most notably, just looking at my own life, but I've had a few patients who, you know, their physicians, you know, follow that rule of like, oh, well, you shouldn't do any hormone replacement. That's not a good idea. Which I mean, that's a disservice. I mean, that's like, honestly telling a 55 to 60 year old male that like they shouldn't be looking at their testosterone levels and trying to figure out how to make them higher. Why should as women, we not have the same opportunity to feel better, look better not be as bloated, have our, you know, our general mood regulated better. So hormone replacement, or hormone management is a critical component to just honestly being middle age, and how you feel during that transition of how your when your hormones are changing, will ultimately kind of not defined but will create an opportunity for either a great healthspan you know, vitality, any of that stuff, because I've had patients, they literally were, they were a completely different person. She went on, you know, I don't know if she went on estrogen specifically. But, you know, she wasn't consulted her gynecologist, and then she went to a functional medicine person not far from my office, who I refer to. And once she was reregulated, she came in maybe six months later, as she she looked like she had just gotten in the best shape of her life, she was happy her skin, you know, all of those things get reregulate. So hormones play a huge role. But if you're not eating properly, kind of like circling that back to the nutritional component, you know, if in going back to diets and stuff like that, if your particular makeup is not absorbing the proper balance of what it needs to make you optimal, you're going to fall short. And it's going to show up in you know, early menopause, it's going to show up with you know, maybe feeling a little bit more like not on point or lethargic as you know, a man like you just don't feel as sharp, right? You don't feel like ready, like you're not ready for it. Those are the things that are small little windows of opportunity for, for us to say, hey, why don't we get this panel done? Why don't we dig into it? The unfortunate thing is, is I think the allopathic profession is trying to come along fast with some of this stuff. But, you know, we need to do a better job all the way around of like, which hormones, when to take them? What's a good baseline? And, you know, what are the best avenues to help increase, you know, those values naturally, not just, oh, let me go ahead and just do hormone replacement, although in specific situations, I think that's absolutely necessary. But again, going back to that nutritional component, if you don't have enough fat, if you don't have enough amino acids, your body's not going to produce those hormones the right way, you know, if you've got any kind of digestive malabsorption, all of that stuff gets decreased. And it's got to come from somewhere, you know, so then you start leaching from other areas in the body, whether it's different tissues or you know, whatever. I mean,

Dr. Terry Weyman: 14:32

you know, it's tough, you bring it, you know, Jen, you bring up some great points and a lot of people listening, they think of carpentry, especially as a thanks to YouTube, that we're back crackers, and it's all about the pop, it's all about the mic, you know, against the back and, and the waist strap and everything else. And so, you know, I want people to listen to you and just sit back and go, Wow, I didn't, you know, know that they did this so they can go and ask They're chiropractors, hey, can you help and you're bringing up a lot of good points. So instead of dancing around going, they need to do this and your death, let's get let's get like a plan. And just like in any business, if what would you do if you have a millage when we come in, and it has questions, and I want the ions ago, wow, you know, chiropractors do know about this stuff. And for the chiropractor listening, give them a plan of how to look at their female patient a little bit better. So let's talk about how your approach to gut health and how your approach to hormones and what kind of things you start out with from beginning to end.

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 15:35

So in my practice, specifically, I have been a longtime user of something called a a symptom survey, which was originally put out by a standard process. And they basically partnered with something called Maestro nutrition. And they have really brought it to the 22nd century, and they now have a cloud platform that they can use. So what I'll do is when a new patient comes in, and let's just say their complaint is, obviously low back pain or something like that, in my history, I spend an hour actually, with my new patients, I've never done a come on in for$29 exam, I've never done any of that stuff. So the way that I approach a patient is, is probably not how most people approach patients. So they'll come in, I have, you know, I do a series of things from some foot scanning to I use posture Pro for some AI, motion evaluation, then I'll go through and do some range of motion stuff. But we'll also have either sent them or depending on what their complaint is, I will send them this symptom survey, that symptom survey, now that it's computerized, gives a lot of fantastic information, because it's going to delve into identifying which organ system is the most stressed, which one is showing up right now symptom wise, that says, hey, look at me, I got a problem. You know, I would say 70% of the time it's going to be, you know, liver gallbladder concerns, then it's usually quickly followed by some sort of male female hormone complaint. So once I have that information, I'll go ahead and talk to them and go, so are you tired? what's your what's your day look like? Do you wake up tired? Do you wake up ready to go? Or do you feel revved up at rundown? You know, looking more into like cortisol, cortisol, you know, ability, and you know, then we'll get into sleep. And so when I take that patient, and there's either a bunch of yellow or red flags around there, what I try to do is I try to foundationally either supplement or use a nutraceutical to start bringing them back to balance. And then I'll start having the conversation for a female like, Okay, well, what's your menstrual cycle? Like? And you know, or what was it when you were a kid like, because if they've had a terrible menstrual cycle, or abnormal menstrual cycle, since they were 1214 years old, that plays a huge role. And then if you add in the fact that they've been taking birth control for 1015 years, you know, you're messing up all sorts of stuff, they absolutely have a hormone issue, you know, they absolutely are having some difficulties. They just don't know it yet. And so from there, I'll go ahead. And if I don't feel comfortable, because I don't sometimes I mean, I don't know everything, I'm not the Guru, I will go ahead and if I know their primary care physician, and I have a good relationship with them, and thankfully, I have a good relationship with most of them, you know, I'll say, hey, why don't you run this by them, I think you'd be well served to look into getting a full panel done. And if they don't really want to do that, or you don't feel comfortable, you know, here's the direction we can go and then that's when I'll go ahead and run like a hormone panel or a female panel through Spectracell. And we'll, you know, get that all figured out. So they can go to LabCorp quest or wherever they're capitated to, and they know upfront that it's gonna cost them money, because, you know, if it's not delivered through the right channels in the right order, you know, we're gonna be stuck with the bill. But, you know, a lot of people today, like there's they're waking up. I mean, we're waking up to understanding nobody's coming to save us, you know, when it comes to who's the person that needs to be responsible for how you're going to feel when you're 60 7080? You know, some of us are gonna get the 90 or 100. I don't know if that answered your question. But

Dr. Terry Weyman: 19:54

yeah, well, on that topic you mentioned, you know, people are starting to wake up and the last couple of years especially with the pandemic, I changed a lot of people's aspects on both nutrition, exercise, eating habits. And after two years of, of uncertainty people, all our habits got changed with some of your strategies to change their habits back into a healthy, you know, a specific strategy again, thinking different because as we know, a lot of our foods or processed too much sugar that will affect our hormones, what are some of your strategies to get these these mindsets to be changed? And then what kind of as a chiropractor, what do you what are some techniques you're using to help this cognitive therapy to bring these people around?

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 20:43

Well, in terms of post COVID, and behavior change, you know, it's kind of like when, you know, when the towers got hit, everybody remembers where they were, you know, it's an, it's a high emotion, that's a high activity, we're like, you're never gonna forget. And so with COVID, a lot of people, we all had that honeymoon phase, I'll call it where, oh, this is like a vacation, you know, is like eight weeks, six, eight weeks of like, we do whatever we want, we're gonna sit back when to eat or drink, we're gonna do this, we're gonna do that, you know. And then there was another set of people that, by and large, are like, I'm gonna get into the best shape of my life, right? Because now I have time to do that, because they're not, some of my patients, like they weren't traveling. Some of my patients, you know, a lot of my, my guys and gals, they're on a plane, you know, Monday morning, they're not back till Thursday night, you know, and they do that to three weeks out of the out of the month. So I think with regard to, what are some of the behavior changes that I see and that people understand is, for the people that got really sick, it was a wake up call, for sure. And for the people who got really scared, it was a wake up call for sure. For the people who kind of just never really got too sick, never really had any issues. It was an affirmation of I gotta keep doing what I'm doing. And so those behaviors were either cemented, or littler, like, 180, they were flipped on their head, because, you know, change only happens when there's enough pain, and or enough sorrow, right. But ultimately, it ends up being pain. And until that happens, or until something's bad enough, it's just human nature, in a lot of ways I think 85% of the population is, is not bad enough, right? And when it's bad enough, then you can do something about it. Right? Or come. You know, I mean, the unfortunate thing is, is that with the way that blood values are, and testing is, it's too late. By that point, you know, it's kind of like on X ray, when we were in school, like in order to see, you know, degeneration show up, you know, the bones gotta be 50 to 60% compromised by that point, right? I mean, so why are we waiting so late? Why are we not really drilling into what our optimal levels so that we, we can get out of this, this cycle or this behavior of like, well, I'm not sick yet. Well, why do you have to be sick before you make a change. And it was interesting, because I was, I listened to a ton of different podcasts, but I did have I listened to human when he interviewed David Goggins, and they were discussing how that the anterior mid cingulate cortex, you know, is that little part of your brain where he had said, it's like, it's like, where the the will to live sits there. And it's, it's where, you know, when you're doing something you absolutely don't want to do in life, that gets bigger, that wakes up, right, when you're doing a challenge. And you're like, I don't know if it's, but you're all in, that gets bigger. Like when you get up and you're trying to do a cold shower or a cold plunge and your body just absolutely hates it, you're going, it gets bigger. And that that is what creates, you know, just that that's a natural increase in vitality, you know, that's going to help you live longer to doing the stuff that is hard to do. And then choosing to do it day in and day out.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 24:37

Is there anything that you do in particular to help keep them on track or motivate them or, you know, by challenging them? Is there a routine you have to inspire them to to make that change?

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 24:52

Um, honestly, I, I just, I give them options. I mean, you know, whether it's You know, showing them what it could look like I, you know, exercise. I mean, I do a lot of functional stuff like that. But, you know, I can't make somebody do something, you know, inspire

Dr. Spencer Baron: 25:13

them. And I was just curious as to, you know, everybody's got a different method. And yeah, everybody, not everybody handles the same method. But right now, people are given up on their New Year's resolutions, right about it's February. So they're falling off the wagon. Is there anything you say to somebody that anything in particular, especially to your athletes? Well, athletes are usually pretty motivated anything in particular that you use to drive someone's, you know, Goal, goal reaching capacity?

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 25:50

You know, I think it's just being encouraging. And I guess maybe I don't feel like I'm very inspiring in moments. I don't know. You know, but somehow, I mean, my patients will come back, you know, and they'll say, you know, I really appreciated that, or, you know, you helped me understand that I could have a better, I can have a better existence, you know, like, I don't have to settle. So in that regard, like, maybe I do a little coaching, but I don't have any, like, I don't have like any system that I really follow, to be totally honest with you. What works for you. What works for me, yeah, oh, man, I have done so much personal development, the past two, three years,

Dr. Spencer Baron: 26:35

it's crazy, in particular drives you what in

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 26:39

particular drives me, um, you know, my family, really, I mean, and my patients, and I just, you know, I guess what drives, you know, I'm like, Yeah, I'm thinking back. You know, I, I wanted to speak, because I'm not from, I'm from Philadelphia, I'm from Chicago. And when I came here, you know, I wanted to have I had this desire to show people that chiropractic could be delivered, you know, in a better in a better way. It's not just, you know, there's a lot of people that still think, unfortunately, that a good amount of chiropractors are like a racking crack kind of situation where, you know, you're in in three minutes, and then you're gone. And it's just that continual cycle. But I think what got you develop

Dr. Spencer Baron: 27:37

relationships, 100% a little bit different for you. That's great. And I 100% strongly about that. But when somebody is posed with a challenge, or even, you know, sometimes we use ourselves as images to overlay, you know, our, our, our inspiring of others. So, you know, like, what would drive you you started to say, family users, say your patients, I mean, you know, most of us are motivated by one of two things pain or towards pleasure. So what would that be for you?

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 28:09

Oh, that's totally pain.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 28:10

All right. Yeah. No, nothing. Nothing wrong with that. That's, you know, it's the carrot or the stick. You know, for me, sometimes it's the stick. Yeah. Yeah. Or hamburger or brown ears.

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 28:26

Or MacAllan? 18?

Dr. Terry Weyman: 28:29

Oh, that's my saying, guys.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 28:32

I'd fall over, not knowing that they'll hate me. But anyway. So what would that what would that look like for you? Like, what would what would drive you let you know, sometimes they say that, you know, you want to you want to lose weight, I'll tell a patient you want to lose weight, then you need to find out what drives them. And then like for for you and I or something like that I would, I would put a image of an obese person on my frigerator because that's not what I wanted to look like. And if I did, it'd be painful versus somebody who's all you know, buffed and things like that. What would what would work for you?

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 29:11

Um, well, then, I guess, my dichotomy, which is why maybe it's so hard is I'm probably both in a little way. But I have one particular picture that I have ingrained in my brain from a dinner that we went to, probably about six or seven years ago now. And I, I saw my father had a family before having me and I saw that picture of myself. And I saw his one son, it sounds weird, but I just looked totally out of shape. I looked miserable. And I was I was like, Who is that? James Gandolfini? Like, I was like, This can't be me, like and so when I start to either go down that path of, you know, just bad. I remember that photo and I'm like, No, I'm not doing that. I I deserve better. Right? You know, you only get one shot at this life. That's good. Yeah, man 100%. And then, you know, I do vision boards, of course, like, who doesn't like, you know, all the pretty stuff. And you know, so I definitely do both. But that is definitely like, and then probably some things, you know, some horrible things my my mother God rest her soul, you know, probably said to me growing up, but I was always probably trying to prove myself like I was always like, I always felt like I wasn't enough. And I think on a lot of ways there's a, there's a good amount of people in this world where they just they don't feel like they're enough. And so, you know, I guess my job is a little bit of a as in terms of inspiration or cheerleader just to say, hey, you know what, I believe in you, you can do this, we can do this together. But you got to find it, like you said, inside of you where what is the thing that you aren't going to let get in the way? Right. But that's probably it. And I and you know, it's interesting, like, I mean, it's hard being it's a daily daily choice, you know, making good choices every day, if it was easy, this world would look a lot different.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 31:08

So when you talk to your patients about getting care, getting treatment, you know, a lot of times I'll ask a patient, do you go to the dentist? And they'll look at me like why? You know, and just will answer the question. And I'll tell you afterwards, and then they'll say, Yeah, I go, I go, you know, routinely to get, you know, my teeth checked? Or they'll answer Yeah, I only go when you know, have a toothache or I'm in pain or something like that? Well, there's, there's part of your answer of how that patient is going to follow through with your care. Are they gonna be pain management? Or are they going to be more maintenance or recovery or, you know, in the absence of pain, right. So they'll tell you all about themselves. And, you know, we have to be careful, because even though you and I may be motivated by moving away from pain, some patients don't relate to that, you know, and so you have to switch, you know, flip the switch and and talk to them from a place, you know, a different place.

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 32:10

Yeah. It's the art the art of chiropractic. Yeah,

Dr. Spencer Baron: 32:15

right. Yeah. And really the art of communication, which 100%, you know, which, quite frankly, most of allopathic medicine doesn't have that luxury, because they take insurance. And they're only allowed on a national level, dispense. On the average, seven, seven minutes with a patient once. And they go, yeah, come back next month, or two years or a year. So how do you how do you find, yeah, how do you find out what's wrong with somebody? That's where us as chiropractors, we have the luxury of being able to really dive deep and understanding patients and make them you know, and become their family doctor.

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 33:01

That's, that's absolutely true.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 33:04

Dr. Jenn, we're going to have a little fun right now. And we're going to dive into a area of our q&a called rapid fire questions. If you listened to previous podcasts, you'll know where we're going with this. Yes,

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 33:19

yes, I did. I thought I thought with all of the, you know, technical difficulties prior to this, I would have excused myself from the last five minutes.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 33:29

That's why we moved to have your tea get ready to go you got you got that? Right.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 33:38

All right. So the the premise of the rapid fire question, I'm going to ask you questions. Some of them are erroneous and out there that have nothing to do with chiropractic but have everything to do with you. b and the sometimes the more brief your answer is great, but we end up getting hung up on ASCII to heck with the rapid part of the rapid fire. All right. Dr. Jin, are you ready for question number one? I'm ready. What is your favorite book that you feel? People should read?

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 34:15

Blue cheese so many books Oh, that's hard, man. I am a book not. I read like almost 25 books a year.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 34:34

And what you're working on now?

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 34:37

Yeah, I mean, well, three I see that's that's there's my add for you. I I am all I have at least four or five books and I'm like bouncing between Um, honestly, I would probably say trillion dollar coach with Jay Campbell.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 34:52

Why do you like that?

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 34:55

He was a consummate professional and and not in the way that, you know societal norms portray, you know, he, I think his superpower was he knew who was sitting in front of him, or he knew his client, who was in front of him who was coaching, before they knew themselves for real. And he was able to tap into that draw with the best out of that person and really have the the ability to go deep, like, really quickly, build trust, build understanding, and have an opportunity to really bring out the stuff that that person, you know, their gifts, their true gifts. I think that's probably what I glean the most out of that book. It was awesome. Nice.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 35:48

You mentioned them earlier, so I'm just gonna throw it out there. Have you read the book, never finished by David Goggins?

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 35:56

I didn't read it. Oh,

Dr. Terry Weyman: 35:58

so the fact that you listen to him? I think that would be something you might like. Okay.

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 36:04

I appreciate that. I'll add it to the list for sure.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 36:06

There you go.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 36:07

Alright. Question number two. If you could give one business tip to the masses, what would it be?

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 36:21

Know your numbers, statistics. Know your numbers. I don't care what they are. I mean, whether it's patient numbers, financial numbers. Know your numbers. No, no, that's, that is the number one thing all business owners need to understand. And that, again, comes from a place of pain. I went through a massive, massive exposure during COVID With just ignorance, I didn't know my numbers. And because I really didn't know my numbers it had to do with that Na, and I literally was paying patients to see me. I mean, it was it was sickening. You know, and the irony is, is that right? Some of the closest people to you are the people you should listen to. And oftentimes they're your, your, your partner, and like an ignorant one, she was like, You need to start kind of figured out how to see a few more people if you're gonna keep keep keep doing it this way. And I was like, oh, it's gonna work out. It's gonna work out. Yeah, it didn't work out. So what ended up happening was I've ripped that band aid off, and we got out of network with that. But ya know, your numbers, you have to know your numbers. I mean, and honestly, even as it relates to your nutritional values, I mean, if you want to go back to why we're, you know, why you actually had me here, you got to know your numbers. And you want to you want to know your numbers, your optimal numbers, you don't want to know the numbers just to get by, you need to know the numbers that matter? What are the ones that are to keep you at the top?

Dr. Spencer Baron: 38:01

What's interesting is it. Some people are not number oriented, or mathematically oriented or statistic driven. And those are, you know, the more ethereal people like, Oh, my trusted, it'll work out for me. But you know, what, then hire somebody that does know the numbers and can feed it to you in the best way possible. I think you know, that that's a fun, fun commentary you had. And, you know, you said earlier in our program that you liked biochemistry, which, you know, I mean, it takes a special person to like biochemistry in that water, that it's very linear, didactic, and all that. So, you know, I think you know, your numbers is linear and didactic, and that would be that that's right up your alley. So

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 38:45

do you want to know the secret that I'm now exposing myself to for everybody to hear? I'm ready. I I flunked my first semester of chiropractic school. Yeah. And I flunked because of biochem. Oh, what I pretty much like you know, as a dietitian, went to school for and I went home, and I am obviously I'm still I mean, Amy and I have been together for 21 years. And I went back and I said, That's it. If I if, if I can't pass again, then I'm going to culinary school. And she said, over my dead body, and so here I am. I listened. I listened.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 39:22

You were driven by pain.

Unknown: 39:25

Fear of loss, deal with a dead

Dr. Spencer Baron: 39:32

don't feel bad. I remember Dr. Krauss remember we're during our interview with Dr. John Demartini. He happened to know the doctor that said to me, Baron, it's a good thing. You're a photographer, Dr. Krauss and he goes because he failed my EKG class. And I wish he was still alive. So I could say hey, look, this is the guy that failed your EKG because I haven't I have an article dated a heart and 100 years. So anyway,

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 40:04

that's why that's why I use that that brand called echo that does it for you. Right? Yeah, it is Echo health man. Not that I'm getting any residuals. But if you want to call me and tell me that I can, but ya know, so I'll third day got some cool equipment

Dr. Terry Weyman: 40:19

question and I can't I can't even spell didactic. We're all good. We're all good.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 40:26

Oh, Jane, question number three ready?

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 40:30

I think so this

Dr. Spencer Baron: 40:30

might be easier than the book review. What movie still makes you smile and laugh?

Unknown: 40:39

Um, the Goonies you were laughing before you've answered the question. Just because

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 40:44

it's fresh in my mind. We watched it with our daughter like a week and a half ago. And it just, I don't know, it was just funny. And I was like, oh, we gotta watch this. So my nine year old got exposed to the Goonies. Very good. I love that. And then, of course, in the first 20 minutes, we're like, should we have done this? Yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 41:07

I expose a set my children down and made them watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Ah, so you know, that was like a total coal flick. Anyway,

Dr. Terry Weyman: 41:18

that's a great, right, right. Yeah. Blue. No green, blue.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 41:25

All right. Question number four when you travel? What is the one thing you do to keep yourself centered?

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 41:34

braintap. Oh, yeah. You had Dr. Porter on Dinya? Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Very good. Patrick in my head.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 41:42

All right.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 41:43

There you go. That was a trick in my head.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 41:46

Well, it's obviously working, you had a quick answer for them. That's good. Well, you know. And finally, question number five, what are your three best wellness strategies that every health care provider should implement? Oh,

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 42:04

I guess that you might ask me that. So I prepped it. I may have failed biochem. But I'm, I'm ready today. So I'm gonna, I'm gonna kind of tell you. So I've follow that BlueZone stuff for a long time. But I had the pleasure of renting. One of the places we lived when we moved to Philadelphia, it was an old carriage house on a five acre property, had a pond, curated landscaping, the gentleman who owned it, had a curbing company on January 27, he just turned 101. And, you know, what he would, we would sit down, he was Italian, he is Italian shouldn't say was, he is Italian. And we would sit down often, and discuss, you know, life, and he would bestow on me all his wonderful philosophical knowledge, because I didn't have much of a father figure growing up. And, you know, I think that the things that I I try to tell my patients that really matter is, you know, the cornerstone of longevity health span, you know, if you guys are, you know, reading that book by Peter, it's here right now that's on my nightstand, I'm getting through that it's called outlive, you know, this whole drive for living as long as possible, as healthy as possible. You know, he basically said, he told me one thing, he said, You got to exercise, you got to exercise your mind, you got to exercise your body, and you got to exercise the art of giving. And then, you know, I kind of evolved into, like, you know, having consciousness, you know, be conscious, you know, try to do things in somewhat moderation. You know, whether that's food or you know, other indulgences, but essentially just being present, you know, because that's all you really have, and community, you know, making sure you feel a part of something. And, you know, I, I am faith based, I have a very strong faith. So, as much as I have a stick, you know, beating me sometimes, I always know in my heart that like, things are going to work out to my highest good because God has favor upon me. You know, but it's, you have to understand that there's something always bigger than yourself. And if you don't have purpose, you won't have passion, and you won't have people that want to be around you. So, all of those things together, are going to create a long, happy, healthy life.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 44:48

That was beautiful. And that, you know, Jen II didn't have to prepare for that because that just came from your heart. So totally. That was That was beautiful. And yeah, we're gonna close on that because I want that too. be the last thing that people hear because that was absolutely fantastic. And I can't thank you so enough for your time. Your due diligence and getting on the show. And and your love from MacAllan 18 So no worries. We're moderation, moderation. Very job. So thank you so much Jed and Dr. Jin. You keep doing what you're doing. You're doing a fantastic job out there. Keep helping people keep helping other doctors and keep live with passion.

Dr. Jenn Hartman: 45:33

Thanks so much, guys. I appreciate you having me on.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 45:36

You bet.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 45:39

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