Know your self-worth- Dr. Scott Leydig

In this episode of the Crackin' Backs Podcast, we delve into the evolving challenges of sports psychology with our distinguished guest, Dr. Scott Leydig, a licensed clinical psychologist specializing in sports psychology. With a rich background as a former competitive athlete and holding a master's and doctorate in Clinical Psychology from Nova Southeastern University, Dr. Leydig offers a unique blend of professional expertise and personal insight into the psychological dynamics of sports .

Episode Overview:

Navigating the Mental Landscape Post-Pandemic: The episode kicks off with an exploration of the global pandemic's impact on the sports world. Dr. Leydig discusses strategies for athletes and coaches to navigate the psychological aftermath, addressing the increased anxiety, isolation, and uncertainty that have become prevalent.

Tough vs. Soft Coaching Tactics: Dr. Leydig weighs in on the debate surrounding coaching styles, examining how both tough and soft tactics affect an athlete's mental health and performance. The discussion pivots towards more effective approaches that coaches can employ to inspire peak performance without compromising athletes' psychological well-being.

The Drive for Extreme Challenges: Dr. Leydig delves into the psychological factors motivating athletes to pursue grueling events like the Spartan Death Race and the Barkley Marathons. He offers insights into how athletes prepare for and recover from such intense competitions and what everyday athletes can learn about mental toughness and resilience from these extreme sports.

Managing Performance Anxiety: With performance anxiety on the rise, Dr. Leydig shares practical advice on how athletes can manage this pressure and harness it to enhance their performance, providing listeners with actionable strategies to improve their mental game.

Confronting Body Image Issues: The conversation then shifts to the pervasive issue of body image among athletes, exacerbated by the rise of social media. Dr. Leydig discusses how he addresses these concerns with athletes and the critical role of positive body image in mental health and performance.

The Psychological Impact of AI: The episode concludes with a look at the increasing use of AI. Addressing the potential dangers of what is real and what is not and how to navigate this increasingly complicated issue.

Listeners can expect a comprehensive journey through the critical aspects of sports psychology, offering insights and strategies to foster mental resilience in the face of modern sporting challenges. Join us on the Crackin' Backs Podcast for an enlightening discussion with Dr. Scott Leydig, where we uncover the psychological tools needed for athletic excellence in today's complex world.

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Transcript

Dr. Spencer Baron: 0:01

Welcome to the cracking backs Podcast. Today we're sitting down with Dr. Scott Leydig, a renowned a sports psychologist into the unchartered territories of post pandemic sports psychology. We'll explore the mental battleground athletes face today, from the harsh realities of coaching tactics, and the lure of extreme competitions to combating performance anxiety, navigating body image issues, and the psychological impacts of a data driven society. Get ready for an enlightening session on building mental resilience in a transformed world, let's crack the mental code. Hey, Dr. Scott, lady, welcome to our cracking backs podcast show today. It's nice to finally have you on.

Dr. Scott Leydig: 0:52

Absolutely happy to be here to talk to you guys. And interestingly, a lot of fun.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 0:57

Yeah, it's what you do as a psychologist and a sports psychologist is very popular demand. And especially now as repercussions from the you know, pandemic, which I'm going to start by asking you a little bit about, you know, levels of anxiety, isolation, uncertainty, and, you know, a lot of people are experiencing, but how does that How has that affected the sports world, in your, in your own words,

Dr. Scott Leydig: 1:24

it was very difficult, it was very difficult to be a psychologist as well, it made my job rather difficult because it was uncharted waters, there were so many things, so many mental and emotional, behavioral social skills that we've had to develop, because of the pandemic. And one thing that I that I really saw was the increase in depression, the increase in anxiety, on the depression side, there was a lot of isolation, you know, a lot of athletes identify as an athlete, maybe 8090 95% of their being, is being an athlete. And having that team, that organization, as they're, you know, feeling that sense of belonging, and when that goes from having that to not having that, in an instance, in March of 2020, you know, that really threw a lot of people's minds through a loop, saw a lot of sadness, isolation, depression symptoms. And then on the anxiety side, it was dealing with the unknown. Nobody likes change, nobody likes the unknown, nobody likes question marks. And we had, I don't know, 1000s of those. So a lot of fear driven fight or flight responses in the mental, emotional, physiological side, as you all know about, and so a lot of different difficulties that people struggle with. So having to tweak and adapt some of my approaches, and really drive home some of those, you know, interventions, harder than I've ever had to do. It was really difficult, but we all made it through, but we're definitely seeing some residual, some people being a little bit more hardwired because of those drastic changes so quickly. So we're trying to do a lot of what I call software upgrades, and trying to just, you know, tweak and rewire some of those mentalities, in order to realize that we're here, we're safe, everything's okay. And we can get back to a more stable homeostasis from the top down.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 3:26

So, here's an odd question, though, is did you notice anybody? Anybody thriving through this or? And what? What characteristics? Would you maybe noticed? Obviously, they wouldn't they wouldn't contact you if they were thriving. But if you would you have seen anybody do well, and why? through there.

Unknown: 3:49

There weren't very many. You know, unfortunately, Business was booming, and still is booming because of the pandemic, from the mental health side, with the people that had a lot of resilience. You know, I always I work with a lot of veterans, you know, and, for example, those people are the ones who if I say, if something goes down, I know they're going to be calm, cool, collected and ready to act. You know, they've been through a lot of difficulties, a lot of traumas, and they have a lot of resilience built up. So it's not just veterans, but a lot of people that have those sort of qualities, as far as being able to cope with changes in order to be aware and have self reflection of their insecurities, their anxieties, their their weaknesses, or areas for improvement within themselves, but also focusing on their strengths, having optimism, never losing hope. There's a lot of different traits or characteristics like that, that on a day to day, those are the people that if something gets put on their desk, they say, okay, all right. Well, I got to do what I gotta do for you know, man, I'm stressed and I'm overwhelmed and I'm freaking out and then they get, you know, worse off emotionally and not as productive. But, you know, this was at a much more macro scale, but those types of people that are cool when they, you know, under pressure, were the ones that were not cool. During the pandemic, they were okay ish when everybody else was suffering, struggling, et cetera.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 5:12

So comparing, I always love the terms that some of the college guys would refer to narcs non athletic, regular people. I mean, I only I only learned that a couple years ago, I thought that was pretty funny. But would you notice a difference between the your athletes that would come in and narcs? You know, because, you know, you mentioned earlier that, you know, athletes have a teamwork, mindset, and when that teamwork is pulled apart, you know, that's a challenge. And what about regular students?

Unknown: 5:53

Sure, sure. So I think it depends. So I always say sports can make or break you. Like, I work with a ton of athletes, and you all work with athletes as well, where, like, either they're going to rise to the occasion and work through whatever this mental or physical challenges, or it's going to break them mentally and emotionally. So I think, when going through certain changes, if they've built up that resilience, they've worked through so many different challenges in their athletic careers, I think they are pretty well able to adjust, but it depends on that ratio, like I mentioned a little bit earlier, like, if your athletic identity is 95%, you're going to struggle, I always preach, there's got to be a healthy balance, you know, so so let's just say it's 65%. And the rest of it is whatever we want to, you know, make that, you know, as far as our well being goes, like that's a more balanced ratio. And those are the people that can respond to having something ripped away from them, or any difficulty that they're experiencing. So a lot of narcs can do okay, too. But it depends on different experiences, different upbringing, different traumas, different challenges, different things that have shaped them into who they are. So yes, most athletes have a really great mentality moving forward through challenges. But when certain things like I keep mentioning athletic identity, when it's a little bit too high, that's when they have a big fall. Same thing with coping with an injury. You know, a lot of people as you all know very well, you'll see them come in sad, depressed, anxious about their future, anxious about their healing process, maybe fear of returning to play because of getting re injured. So So those things are very unique to athletes and performers. So we do see a lot of struggles, but they also have a lot of resilience, because of their athletic challenges that they face. Every practice every game that is a different mindset than just like, Oh, I'm gonna go play for fun versus like, no, I got my career, I got my college, I got my money on the line everything. So so like I said, kind of depends.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 7:55

individual athlete versus a team sport athletes, would you? I get I guess it's, you know, per person. And but would you notice a difference? In that kind of, you know, that that relationship, you know, with, you know, team work type of environment versus someone who's like a tennis player, or, you know, or an ice skater or something like that?

Unknown: 8:22

Yeah, I actually really like the team oriented approach and mentalities because actually, if I think about it, and sit back, I probably work with mostly individual athletes, like it's their, their, their flying solo, you know, there have, it's working with a lot of baseball players, tennis players, like you said, skaters, like lots of different individuals solo sports. So I think having a good sense of belonging, I can't preach that enough as a human being as an artist, right, or as an athlete, having our teams having our organizations and making sure that that's solid, those are solid, good, strong, connected relationships. Like that's really, really important as a social support, which is one of the biggest indicators of if we're doing well, emotionally, and we're happy. Usually there's a correlation with how strong they have, they perceive their relationships are so a lot of good protective factors. When it comes to having a team oriented approach and having that team support versus flying more solo as an individual athlete.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 9:28

Is there like a set of questions that you would ask someone that's kind of standard operating procedure in trying to determine what they're, you know, what they're feeling and, and then how would you take the most maybe the most common thing that you hear about provide a strategy, so maybe our listeners might identify and be able to apply some of those principles?

Unknown: 9:53

Well, the first one is, how does that make you feel? Right, that's classic therapy question right? Get to the get to those emotions, right? I had to throw that one out there. But on a serious note, it's one of the biggest themes that I work with with narcs. Or athletes is cuz I do work with narcs a lot in Argentina, in private practice and work with a lot of athletes, but, you know, nerves and just general people in the community is talk to me about the insecurities, right? So so when we get to people's insecurities, they have so much to say, you know, I'm a failure, like, I'm not good enough, I'm, you know, this is going to turn out bad, right? And so even just from a little bit of insecurities, or anxieties, I learned so much about their foundation of self worth, self esteem, or how they perceive themselves. And that's one of the biggest key ingredients to being a successful human being or athlete, is you've got to have a good foundation up. And not a lot of us do, because of different ways that we were sort of our biology, our upbringing, our parental relationships, etc. But yes, getting to know the their foundation from within, is key. So asking a lot of questions about that can get a lot of good indicators of how they see themselves, how they see themselves in their world, or the fears of judgment, or lack thereof. So that's one of the things that I would preach to everybody listening is know your worth, like kind of identify what those insecurities or anxieties are about yourself, and figure out why they're there. And then if they're there for a reason, okay, let's talk about it. But maybe they're just kind of false things that our lives have taught us that we need to relearn. Think about ourselves in a different light. So that's probably the bread and butter of what I do with a lot of people.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 11:47

It was always fascinating that there's this phenomenon called imposters syndrome. So your your patients will come in, and they're, they may be at a rock star level, whether they're high school, college or pro athlete. And yet they feel these insecurities. Is that common?

Unknown: 12:10

Absolutely. Imposter syndrome, fake it till you make it. Listen, I'll never forget the very first time I saw a patient in grad school. I was like, What the heck can I do? I had all kinds of impostor syndrome. Every insecurity came out, they still do, by the way, like they're not fully subdued. But, you know, we all have that. But I think what's more critical that I help my patients with, is, what do we do with that, because what happens is, I call it like the 5050 balls and I coached across so I'm always saying those 5050 balls and balls on the ground who's going to get it, you know, same thing with this is we have the insecurities. They're telling us that we shouldn't do it can't do it, or it's going to turn out bad. And then we examine that. And if we can push through it and win that 5050 battle, then we're going to fake it till we make it and then we're going to make it. But we have no chance if we listen to those insecurities and have them dictate what we do. So I think that's really another key thing is what do we do with these 5050 battles? If we win more of those, then we're going to have a great life. And if we don't, then we're going to struggle, and we're not going to progress. We're not going to excel, we're not going to succeed in our goals that we have for ourselves.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 13:23

Hmm, interesting. I asked one of our psychologists many years ago for at Miami Dolphins ago, how does, how does depression happen? You don't do what you don't wake up one day and you know, I'm depressed or in fact, it's so stealth, you don't even realize, right? Is that something that? You know, it's just it's like a, like a cancer? You know, you don't know you have it. And all of a sudden it's it becomes clinical. Right? So how, how do you? How do you determine if someone is depressed? clinically depressed? And then how do you dig them out? Because, you know, obviously, maybe a you know, they win here win here. But maybe that doesn't always work. I mean, sure you manage that? Yeah,

Unknown: 14:21

yeah. Well, there's, it depends on the nature of how it developed, right? Like you're talking about, there's an insidious approach where it's just been like a lifelong thing. Maybe they started in childhood, and they've never it's never really hurt them or affected them throughout their career or their relationships or their mood as much before. It's just kind of been more of like, the ER approach where they're kind of getting through life, you know, but, but like, they don't really realize that they're super depressed or they couldn't be happier, right? Just their norm. It's their baseline. Or sometimes we can have more of an acute stressor, or events that makes us fall into a depression, like I mentioned, with coping with an injury. or a pandemic, or a breakup, things like that. So it really depends on like the treatment protocol. It depends on how it developed. But there's a lot of different things that I do with patients in order to help make that spiral, not as deep of a slope. And so regardless of if it happened, suddenly, or it's been a sneaky onset over time, it's about identifying how this impacts them, where it came from in the first place, and how to dig themselves out. And it can be really tough once that spiral starts. So I always just try to do prevention, a prevention model, I'm sure you all preach that as well, with your patients, like, Let's prevent some of these injuries. Let's let's treat your body right. And it's going to be nice to your back. Right. So I really try to do a prevention model, even when we're aware of it, to prevent the sudden spirals, or if it's the more sort of lifelong depression usually tends to be some kind of self worth thing, like I mentioned, or just like negativistic views about themselves in the future. So we've got to really rewire and tweak those mentalities, which takes a lot longer. But it depends on the onset. It depends on the severity, but a lot of different techniques and tools we can use, depending on how we conceptualize why this started in the first place.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 16:25

I want to ask you about coaching strategies, you know, I mean, not not you coaching, but the, you know, some of these kids, when I say kids, I mean, even pro athletes, you know, a coach could be a mentor, or he could be a villain, you know, and what we noticed over the years is there's been a the pendulum has swung in a different direction. Whereas, you know, the tough coaching mentality, you know, brow beating, and the next step, Nick Saban style, like, really crushing it and, you know, guys emotion and all and see rises, breaking

Unknown: 17:04

them down to build them up. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 17:08

versus, you know, some of what Dr. Terry and I talk about is, you know, you get you get, you know, participation trophies, you know, because you could be in a last place, you know, and so the pendulum has swung in this other direction. And I, I still believe that, you know, a coach should be like a drill sergeant, that's just me personally feeling that way. But how do you? How do you navigate or help an athlete navigate that? If they're really, you know, they're subservient to the coach, but the coach is an asshole. Or not, right? Yeah.

Unknown: 17:49

Right. Well, and talk about the prevention side, you know, I struggle, a lot of coaches struggle with letting me coach them, like a lot of coaches have their egos. And that's what brought them to the top. And a lot of them don't want to hear it. So the ones that are actually receptive to a sports psychologist coming in, I'm like, thank you. I appreciate like, not having so many barriers to entry here, when it comes to helping you which will help your team. But like, you don't find that a lot, especially with old school coaches. They want nothing to do with sports, like, I mean, sports, like still getting bigger, in a sense, over the past several years. But you know, that's so so I working with the coaches and having them be flexible on their approaches. I'm it same thing with my kids, like, I'm tough, you know, I'm firm, but I also will show you that I love you care about you. And I want you to succeed. And there's ways to balance that. And I think when we get to sort of soft on that approach, that's not good for coaches. And then also, when you're too difficult or too rough into not showing them that you care, you just want to win games, that's when you know, athletes start to kind of reduce their motivation and don't want to play for you anymore. So that's one key thing that we were You were mentioning that I think is important for coaches to find flexibility. But the other side of it that you're asking about is the athlete, which is how do they cope with a shitty situation that they don't like or they can't change, necessarily, even though transfer portals and things if we're talking about college or you know, sometimes we're into contracts in the NFL, you can't just leave teams, or any other sports obviously. But you know, it's how do we deal with things that we can't change? And a lot of times what happens with people or patients knirps athletes, whoever is we tend to feel like we don't have control, we tend to feel anxious about that. We tend to feel demotivated, because we feel this like learned helplessness as no matter what I do, nothing's gonna change. But what I try to do with patients is try to have them feel more grounded within themselves try to have sort of more mindfulness more here and now approach to what can I control? What can I do in order to stay motivated? What are the intrinsic reasons why I'm doing this as opposed to the extrinsic things like this coach or fans for this achievement, whatever, like, just try to make sure we stay motivated from our within ourselves and try to block out some of the other things that might derail us mentally or emotionally or even physically. Not, it's not an easy thing, you would hope that there'd be flexibility, you can have a conversation with the coach and, and they'd be adaptable to, you know, trying to do a different style with you particularly as opposed to just be in the same way with however many players so. But that is a challenge that that happens where we can't change a certain thing. But we got to make sure we feel that sense of control, use our internal things that we can't control, which is the mind the way that we filter things, the way that we perceive things. And then our bodies, which is what we do on the field or off the field. So it's tough, but it's very, very doable. Once I have the ability to sit with patients and talk to them about this process. Usually they haven't thought about a lot of things that I can see from a different perspective as an outsider and say, Oh, hey, let's let's do this. This isn't that I think it'll help me cope much better with this difficult situation.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 21:04

us earlier in this commentary, you started to allude to something and I'm curious, how much do you dive into a athletes, let's say they're complaining about their coach, or they're there? Or the athlete himself is not coachable? Or he's very emotional, or very sensitive? or what have you? How? How much do you go into the parental experience that they've had? You know, they're, you know, where's your dad? How's your mom? How's your relationship with your mom? Do you go deep into that stuff? Absolutely,

Unknown: 21:39

definitely. So one of the key things that I do as a psychologist and my approach is we have to get insight. Yeah, and you have to know why. And how this this this one behavior, or this one thought, how did it occur? Sometimes when we go back, we can't figure that out, we can't connect every knot, but we connect majority of them. And that is what makes the light bulb I call it the switch happen with patients when we say oh, so the reason why you're fearing you know, judgment from this coach, or from you know, this recruiter or whatever is because Dad never told you that you were good enough for mom or whoever you know, or you never gave you praise. And then that's why you always feel like you need to prove yourself and then you get too much pressure and then you get anxious about being at the plate and then you freeze up, you know, because of that. So once they see like, oh, it was because of this XYZ thing from my parental relationship or environment or a trauma that happened that's like that's a game changer as well to someone's psyche. Then this light bulb goes off and says Whoa, like so that's why I'm I fear judgment or I get anxious at the plate or whatever I'm doing. And, and, and what I tried to say it's like, that's the cassette tape, you know, like we used it a while back it was needed, we needed to hope we needed to think about it internalize it like that, but now we got all kinds of different podcasts and all kinds of different technologies that are more modern or more new school. So basically that way of thinking or processing things or filtering things in your mind is played out. Right so let's let's do that software upgrade. And let's do a new mental approach that's going to be much more conducive for your mental emotional, social, physical well being

Dr. Spencer Baron: 23:22

I love the way you spend generations by you mentioned cassette tape and software upload in one

Unknown: 23:31

cassette tape, my first Bone Thugs and harmony I'll never forget it out. I got my first cassette tape at the Broward mall you know what I'm talking

Dr. Spencer Baron: 23:42

Yeah, well I'm from the eight track the eight track arrow over here so all

Unknown: 23:48

my air coming out right I see yours coming. But whatever it is, if it's played out, it's played out let's let's think let's do differently instead of just doing what we were taught or trained to do in the past because it's not so functional anymore. I

Dr. Terry Weyman: 24:02

thought you were from the record player with the the megaphone era Oh yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 24:17

I got I got one more one more thing on the on the coaching thing that I was curious about. I noticed that there was and again, you started to allude to it and I would like to really embellish embellish a little bit on it and that was you know, sometimes, you know, you think of I talked to some players about a comedian brought up once whatever happened a big mama Big Mama was like that she could smack you in public, but you she was a disciplinarian, and yet she loved you to death and you know, you always hear players talk about their their grandma or their mom or something. You know, Big Mama was was she was tough and commanded respect, but there was love among that. And then the comedian said, you know, whatever happened to Big Mama or Big Mom was 16 years old now. And you know, she doesn't understand the dynamic of discipline and love. And so a lot of the, you would notice that some players that were were, you know, being disciplined or something like that, you know, that they didn't realize that, that, you know, there was an element that I really, really care about you. But I have to be balanced. And, you know, did you do notice or hear? I mean, do you see that difference in generations at this point in life?

Unknown: 25:43

Absolutely. Absolutely. I think that goes back to the flexibility, right? I mean, a lot of coaches forget to praise. And they just point out the negative I work with a lot of dancers and performers. And that sort of tough culture in the dance world is called corrections, or feedback, you know, but it's really just, I'm going to identify, like, 99% of what I'm going to tell you is going to be sort of negative or something that you're doing wrong. And then that their their brains get wired to look for the wrong within themselves. Right. And same thing with body image, or, you know, lots of different things, and within athletes, performers, or society, so I always preach to coaches on like, give them some praise, give them do a three to one ratio, do this with your partner, spouses, friends, as well praise at least three times. So the one feedback thing that you're gonna give them, I call it the sandwich method to a little bit of top bun for positivity, we'll meet in the middle, it says like, Hey, could you do a little bit differently, and then bottom bun or positivity, right. So like a lot of that if you can have that sort of ratio, but also be tough and have consequences, which a lot of parents don't know how to do nowadays, a lot of coaches are too scared to do it nowadays. But you got to say, hey, we have some contingencies. If you do your process properly, then you will have the outcome of getting playtime. If you don't, then you'll be riding the bench. I mean, and but also, if that coach can balance those contingencies with this three to one ratio of making sure they praise show that they care about them show that they care about their future, as opposed to just critiquing and finding the negatives, then you can have that balance, where they feel loved cared for appreciated, because we're all human beings, even though they're athletes, and you think, Oh, I'm doing it for the contract, like no, we all are innate, innately wanting care, love, affection, you know, support belongingness. So you got to make sure you promote those traits in those styles. In order to create a good dynamic, we're gonna have a good process and a good outcome as an athlete or coach.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 27:48

It's great stuff.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 27:49

All right. I'm gonna jump in Scott on something. And I kind of want your opinion on this. And it's kind of going back to the A lot of people call it the lizard brain, you know, our lizard brain that needs stuff. And we're watching a show again, called Band of Brothers. And after we watched it, we looked at a documentary. And it said, this is the longest time we've ever had peace, since a major war that we've had conflicts. But we haven't had this is the longest time we've had since we've had a major war. And intraday edit starts talking about that, you know, you hear the old the greatest generation from World War Two and what these kids were going through at 18, and 19, and all that. And we haven't had that for the longest time in history and went all the way back to the Mongolians. And so I've also noticed something. And I've noticed this huge drive of calm ultra marathons. But you know, we have the death, race and Spartan racing, we have the Barclay marathon where we're pushing people to such a breaking point. And they're becoming more and more and more popular. Is this something that we need that kind of intensity from our lizard brain, and we haven't had it for so long? And now we're searching for in other ways. What's your opinion on that? On the mental aspect?

Unknown: 29:16

Great question. I do think that we need challenges, I do think that we need to push ourselves, just like you would preach, you know, in the medical field, like we have to do physical therapy, you have to make make this area of our body hurt a little bit or use it a lot in order to repair it and make it better. It's the same metaphor for our minds, right? Like we have to be able to push those thresholds in a safe calculated way, in order and be tested in a lot of different ways in order to know how we're going to respond to that mentally, emotionally and socially. And behaviorally. So I think I think there's been a lot of things that have been shifting over generations and I think, you know, I always say I'll be in business for sure. Because there's a lot of things that scare me about this generation and a lot of things that are going on. And, you know, I don't I don't think a lot of people are tested in a lot of different ways anymore. So I think the more that we can deal with things, learn how to deal with them effectively be taught the correct things from our parents, society, then we'll be able to be more resilient through a lot of these difficulties. But there's, I've seen a lot of, you know, lack of skills when it comes to coping with a lot of different things more recently. So I like the fact that people are challenging themselves doing these Spartan Races and trying to, you know, raise the ceiling, on their physical or mental or emotional capacities.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 30:42

But yeah, on that, I think there's challenges. But when you listen to the creators of some of these, they will tell you, we're designed this to break you, we're designed this to not let we don't want you to finish, we're making it harder, and we do not expect you to finish. And so the first time that didn't maybe nobody finished and then when finished. And so what's the drive behind that? And why do we sign up for that? Because I think our society is getting soft. And you know, oh, I have to run a mile that hurts. And now we're having the scene, these events, that part of my friends, they want to fucking break you and see what comes out at the other side. Yeah, what is your why are these popular? Or have we become so soft? And how do we get out of this? And how do we push people beyond what they think they're capable of doing? Without having to go to a Death Race?

Unknown: 31:35

Well, I think there's, there's one thing I want to mention about that is, there's a lot of us are motivated by different things. But it can be external things like rewards, accomplishments, you know, money, whatever, which is a good motivator, a lot of ways, right? Like, we want to get a paycheck, or we're going to work, or we want to win a championship. So we're going to work hard. But even with those accomplishments, or achievements, or external contingencies, we still want to feel good about ourselves. So I think a lot of those people that really are hungry, you know, and really push themselves further than they've ever gotten poor, want to feel good about themselves, another another, they don't feel good about themselves. But they want that feeling of like, I did it. I accomplished this, right. So the external reward of like, the metal is cool, but more of the internal satisfaction of like, wow, like, I just crushed this race, or came in whatever place or just finished it for some of these, which, you know, I've never done one, so I can't speak on it specifically. I mean, I haven't won my 5050 battle on that yet. But, but yeah, so I think that's one thing is just, you know, the intrinsic motivation factor. How strong is that within someone? And then, you know, as far as I mean, it's a very loaded question of like, how do we change the sort of this softness that we see in society? I mean, there's a lot of things that go into that. But I think it really, in my opinion, starts a lot with the parental relationships, and in the schooling relationships. I've been involved with a lot of different parents who have to coach them on just like, actually disciplining their children. I've had parents that say, like, I've never put my kid in timeout, I've never, you know, punished them. I've been in schools where there's like a no detention, no suspension, no, whatever kind of discipline system, and there's no structure and they've never been taught and sort of right and wrong, or felt the shitty emotions of like messing up, which is a healthy emotion to feel it, because then it'll make them not want to feel that again. Right. So I think there's a lot of things from the top down, that need to shift within society. As far as how we do stuff, and how we bring these kids up, in order to see that shift. Go back to like, having some mental toughness again.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 33:54

You see, you know, I think one of the things, I saw no documentary that he talked about mental toughness during that greatest year of World War Two, when they came out of it, there was more inventions, there is more change. We had all these incredible revolutions as far as in business and inventions and commerce and growth in the world. The byproduct, and I think when these kids were going through this, they had to do it, or they died, right. So they were pushed past that, where your brain will stop at 15%. They had to go beyond that. Because if they did they died, right. And the byproduct is their brains exploded. And they had inventions. The negative side we have what we called, now we call it PTSD, but you know, back then they call it the stare, they call it you know, whatever else shellshock. So there's that balance between innovation and and ShellShock and, and some of these death races. If you don't you, you could die. You could I mean, you signed a will. Right? And so you're, you're pushed into that house that 15%? How do we find that balance and get the innovation back in our brains? Because I think our lizard brain needs to be that, you know, we're back into the caveman. If you didn't kill that thing, you die, right? So how do we find that balance back where we can push and get that innovation back and get that mental health without the side effects of shell shock?

Unknown: 35:23

We need to go back to the basics. Like one of the my biggest pet peeves. No offense to every human being who uses it is social media. You know, there's things like that that are texting. I mean, there's so many basic human behaviors that we just are so one ad that are really detrimental to our functioning in society so many times with patients, athletes, whoever, I'll say like, Hey, like, What did you say to the person face to face? And they're like, Well, I texted them this, which again, if you all know what text, it's like, you can interpret that, like, I've heard so many patients say, well, they put a period on that sentence. So like, that means it was mean, and I'm just like, oh my gosh, you know, or like, I only get to like buttons on my Facebook post. And, and then now I'm depressed because I feel like nobody loves me. So I think there's so much with like technology and the new way of doing things, you can tell them a little bit more of an old school, cassette tape player kind of guy. But um, so so I always have to coach my patients like, well, let's, let's work through this conflict, together with them. So we can learn conflict resolution skills, and meet in the middle, versus just texting or tweeting this passive aggressive comment, of course, they're going to be upset at that, and then clap back at you, right? So, so doing a lot of these sorts of basic human behaviors, going going back a little bit more of the old school approach of talking verbally to people working through things, you know, and working through the challenges versus some of the quick fix, you know, immediate gratification kind of society that we're in right now. Like, I know, even for me, like I fall into that trap. If I watch a YouTube video, I'm too cheap to pay the like, 499, probably to have the ad free one. So when it's like, wait five seconds, and then you can skip, I'm always like, you know, to wait five seconds. So like, I fall into that trap, like I get it, you know, but there's so many traps in his current society that we can try to reduce those, go back to some old school approaches. I think that's really the best way to get some resilience to get some harmony, as opposed to just kind of avoiding these different situations, and then losing those skill sets.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 37:40

That's great. Patience is a virtue. Yes. Yes. So speaking of that, let's talk sports injuries. Let's talk about a an injured athlete. And the I don't remember the Stages of Grief are the stages that you know, those five or six stages that they go through. If you know them, I would love for you to recite them, because I think they're fascinating to me. But most people don't realize what their which stage they're going through. How do you how do you talk someone through that? That, you know, that's the wind me sit thing going on?

Unknown: 38:21

Sure, sure. And one thing I want to mention about the stages of grief is I did a maybe like 10 years ago, I did, I ran a few groups called suicide, or survivors of suicide support group, meaning friends and family of family members or friends who did complete suicide. And I actually tried to follow the grief model of those stages in a row. And what I found from doing several of those groups, for a couple years, was that nobody goes through them perfectly exactly like so from then on. I've said, okay, you know what, like, let's identify the stages, but let's also know that it's okay to go angry first, and then to depressed or then to numb or whatever. So that's something that we see with athletes, when they go through injuries, we see a lot of grief, it's a loss of an identity, like I mentioned before, when that ratio is super high, which it usually is, with athletes, of you know, their athletic identity being the majority of what you know, is comprises their identity, we tend to see that that loss, that grief reaction, that sadness, that can be numb at first, then it can turn into just sadness, then it can turn into isolation where they don't even want to be with the team anymore, because they feel so disconnected, then they feel lonely because of that they're disconnected and they're pulling away themselves, then they're just kind of by themselves not doing any of the self care that they should do, which is going to make them not feel good as well because they're not eating right or they're not sleeping, right. So that's that spiral that we talked about way earlier. And it's my job as a therapist to you know, be An outsider and say, Well, hey, here's what I'm seeing happen to you, let's see if we can tweak the way that you're viewing the situation a little bit. We're never gonna sometimes, you know, everyone's like, let's make it positive, I don't go for that. Sometimes I say, hey, let's find a neutral first, right? Let's find a neutral, let's put a neutral spin on this, let's get you out of this spiral, then let's go more towards your team, feeling that support again, versus doing the grief, the isolation, the sadness, and then the, that's going to make you in a worse place, mentally, emotionally, and obviously, physically, the mind body connection, as you both know very well, we need to be strong up here to be strong within the body as well.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 40:41

It's great. I would like to go into the idea of what social media has done to body image, not just for athletes, but you know, some of our listeners, or parents and even young doctors, they're caught up in I mean, I've seen some of my interns, you know, they don't realize it, but the ones that might be listening right now, I'll go on social media to determine whether I'm going to bring them on as an intern or not. Some of the things that I see you're going to be a doctor and you're putting all your boobs online, your blood, your thing, like you're trying to look sexy. So you know, body image has become such a such a thing. And now with the NFL, the name image and likeness issue, you know, some of these athletes that are not, you know, high level athletes are creating a tremendous name for themselves. Because they're a beautiful male or female, a beautiful athlete that is marginal in their athletic prowess, and yet they got millions of followers, you know, things like that. How, what's your conversation with those that are controlled by that?

Unknown: 42:03

Sure, sure. No, it's tough, because there's a reality to what you're seeing. I mean, like, the, the name the image, here to hell, and is, images, a big piece of what's going on in society now. And it honestly, it's one of the saddest things that I see. You know, beauty is in the eye of the beholder, like, I love any human being what they look like, whatever. But I'll have, like, I work with a lot of dancers, you know, a lot of ballerinas and, you know, they, they tend to really struggle. And with the body image, because what they see in the mirror doesn't reflect reality, it reflects their perception of what reality is, right? So it's very difficult conversation when, with people that struggle with body image, because it is such a big piece of society now. But also for their careers. Like we have to be in shape. I mean, people like Zion, Williamson gets shamed all the time. Dude's a legit athlete, you know, and I don't know anything about his physical I mean, you know, but that's not my judgment, you know, as far as if you're doing the right things or not, but, you know, it's one of those things that can really hurt our, our self esteem, when we struggle with body image. So a lot of performers that I work with, and athletes, and, you know, the narcs, you know, they, they tend to, if they struggle with not viewing themselves in a good external light, then they feel not very good internally as well. And it's a very, there's a strong correlation to if they view themselves as somewhat desirable or attractive, then their self esteem is probably where it should be. But if they don't, then they tend to view themselves as not good enough a failure, et cetera. And so that's very, very important point that you brought up that I, you know, sniff that out right away. And you can see it subtly when you're talking to people like Oh, you look good today. And they're just like, No, I don't, you know, like, boom, done body image issue, like we got to work on that, you know, or can be a little sneakier or outwardly outwardly, they're like, Oh, thanks. But then like, when they look like I've had patients, several patients that will not look in a mirror, like they do not own mirrors, they refuse to look in mirrors. That's how significant it can get. And I've had patients where they won't even go outside, honestly, like they won't go outside. And it'll be looked at as agoraphobia, which is fear of being in social settings. But really, it's a I don't want people to see my body. That's why I won't go outside. So really big issue really see it all the time. As you can tell, it's I'm passionate about it, because it breaks my heart when they literally don't see reality. And that's my job is to say, Well, hey, you know, there's also other realities out there besides the filter and the perception that you have in your mind.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 44:52

You know, let's go on that. Would they don't see reality. We're seeing the air we're seeing the the Introduction on a huge scale of AI. Now AI is not reality. But now they're making AI, body imaging, you know, they're making this you don't know any any more on when you look on something online if it's real or not. And there's great benefits of AI. But there's a huge negative side, just like we talked about, there's a great benefit of war and conflict and all that by pushing that brain, but there's a negative side of the shellshock and all that. How do you navigate what's real, what's not real for these young athletes who live on tick tock, and

Unknown: 45:33

they believe it, they believe everything that's on tick tock in social media, and it's, it's sad, it's scary. So it's just about education. It's about kind of challenging in the moment, you know, there's, we're, I always say, We're run on autopilot, you know, we just kind of like, see, and we're as human beings, we're taught to just make immediate, instant interpretations of things. And we don't really slow down and step back and examine like, hey, is this real? Is this maybe have a filter on it? Does this, you know, not really show full reality. And if we can just kind of step back and do some awareness checking, that can really help us see, Is this legit or not. But so many times, things like the social media and the body image, or, you know, what I used to be on social media, I'd see someone like, they take pictures of like, their food, or like, it's amazing gourmet meal they made and I'm just like, I hate you, like I'm eating like a microwave dinner, like, it would make me not feel good to see this. And I'm like, I don't want to expose myself to this anymore. Like, I don't want to feel like I'm a terrible, you know, terrible nutrition or whatever, even though I probably should do better on it when I was eating microwave dinners. But I didn't want to have that feeling like I wasn't good enough, right, or I wasn't doing enough. So I see that a lot. And so I try to have that reality checking, show them that there's different perspectives than what they see and what they believe. And then I can try to convince them of the healthy ones that I that, of course, admittedly, I think are the healthy ones. But that's where my training and my degree is in is we're supposed to know like, this would be good for that person. So we want to convince them to think differently, because some of those perceptions can be way off. So

Dr. Terry Weyman: 47:14

what's a from your perspective? What's a strategy for somebody listening, whether they're a kid, or they're a parent? On on navigating this AI, because they're even doing AI dating now? So you're not even dating real people? It's like something from a movie, right? That you look across the way and oh, I want a blonde I want this and want this and that they're the peers? How do we get this, this idea out and get this reality back and see if there's virtual reality? How do we what's a strategy that somebody can listen to? And implement?

Unknown: 47:47

limit the exposure and go back to old school? You know, like, I wouldn't? I mean, there's a lot of

Dr. Terry Weyman: 47:51

the how, how do we do that? Because our kids are glued to their phone, and I see adults go through, I had a kid that was eight hours a day on their phone, and they turned to the mother and they go, let me see your screen time. And the mother was 12 hours, you know, how do we how do we do that? I mean, it's easy to say, limit their screen time or limit their exposure, how

Unknown: 48:12

do we do it from the top down, like if that if that parent is on 12 hours, you know, and they think they think it's okay that their kids on for eight hours and like, You got to help the parent, like many, many, many times, parents will say, hey, come fix my kid. Like they're having behavioral issues, or like, they're on their phone too much. I'll look at him. And I'll say like, well, who gave him the phone? I'm very direct. Like, I'm not like a bobblehead therapist, where I'm like, Oh, your kids like something? Like, I'm like, Okay, so like, you know, there could be a decent chunk of this that is coming from you that's allowing their kid to be exposed to eight hours of craziness, on social media all day. So I know, it's a difficult sort of broader theme of like, how do we fix this, but it's through that self awareness, self reflection, that advocacy for mental health, you know, I do a lot of presentations, and I, you know, with some jobs that I have, but I also work with patients individually, and I got to preach to them, like, Hey, here's the things that you're doing that are actually hurting you mentally, emotionally, physically, here's the things that we can do, that will be much better for you. So it's basically just spreading the word any way that we can, and hopefully it clicks and then we'll have like, so the eight hours of my kid being on screen time isn't good for them. Like, like, we it's up to us as professionals to teach them that. And if they if they buy into it, then we're looking good for the future. If not, like I said, always be in business. And

Dr. Terry Weyman: 49:36

no, no humans can live up to an AI dating, you know, I mean, the SP perfect so yeah, I think we're looking for perfection, which doesn't exist. I mean, I always laughed it. Every Christmas card you've ever seen. I guarantee five minutes before that Chrismukkah was taken there was a fight you know whether they didn't wear the right clothes. Mom was pissed that the kid wasn't doing something you know, and yet the picture Oh, it They have a perfect family. No, they don't, you know, they were fighting just like you and I were. So it's like, if you do AI dating, that's not perfect. That's not reality yet these kids are suckered into it. So when they do meet somebody real that could compare him to a fake thing and how, I mean, it's such a weird concept, but it's growing. And that's what it's crazy.

Unknown: 50:20

I know, it's the exposure to things that are not reality, basically, when they show like, Oh, I'm on this amazing beach, or, you know, I'm having this amazing relationship, like, not a lot of stuff is posted about like, hey, like, we have this conflict. And we work through it. So same thing with like, the Thanksgiving picture where everyone's like, at the dinner table, like, Yeah, but like, that's cool. Like, that moment was great. But like, what was it like before that, like, how did you? Like, why did this conflict come up? Well, how did you work through it? And how do you guys feel about it now? Right? Like, those are the things that we're not seeing in a lot of ways, we're seeing a lot of things that don't resemble reality, but then people start to perceive it as reality, which, again, is scary. So that's where we have to do some reality checking, and say, here's what life actually looks like, here's what this you know, tough mudder race will feel like, let's prep for it. As opposed to thinking there'll be a walk in the park to navigate a marriage or a race or being a competitive athlete, whatever it is, like, you know, it might look cool on TV might look easy. But there's, there's so many things that are behind the scenes that you have no idea about. So let's get ready.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 51:28

Well, here's a reality check for you. And that was what I recently found out about a lot of those big dating websites like match.com, you know, the eHarmony, and all that. Now, I don't know how true this is. But it made sense. And that was, they deliberately not match you with the perfect person because they want to keep you on their, your their program. Because if you found the right person, then you'd be done with match.com or eHarmony, or plenty of fish or whatever. You know, I thought it was fascinating to hear that. And then and then and then on a side note was one of the biggest dating websites is Instagram. Fascinating. Yeah. But again, it's not always a reality check as to, you know, what's really going on because everybody's, you know, providing their, their best, best, best foot forward. So, anyway, so this has been great. And that and we're going to enter a phase, a final phase of our program called the rapid fire questions. And you see pretty quick on your feet, Scott. So I'm gonna ask five questions.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 52:51

Stretch the brain.

Unknown: 52:57

Okay, I'm ready. I'm ready. Rapid fire.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 53:00

Rapid fire. Question number one, what is the one thing you wish you could have told your high school self?

Unknown: 53:08

Hmm, be confident and go for it. I had a lot of insecurities myself a lot of imposter syndrome, that that made me not go for things and not excel in certain things or push myself to those limits and took a lot of it was mainly in grad school where I, you know, they make you do like self therapy and self reflection. And, and I was like, oh, so I have insecurities. And here's other, they're limiting me. And I wish I probably could have done a lot more more things, and excelled in other ways, if I would have not felt so uncomfortable going outside my comfort zone. So that would be my rapid fire answer.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 53:51

Very good. Question number two, best tip to turn your words into actions, you know, meaning, you know, we all hear and read, you know, we need to do this, we need to do that. But turning that advice into an action step. That's a whole nother story. What would you suggest?

Unknown: 54:09

self reflection, like self awareness, like that autopilot that I mentioned earlier? Like it just we just do we just act we don't think too much. But if we can step back, do some self awareness, do some self reflection and kind of like analyze, okay, like, what's my best decision? What's my best choice here? What are the good or bad outcomes of these two different choices, then we're going to tend to make the logical one for the most part, unless there's some other mental hurdles there. But just being able to take the wheel as opposed to being on autopilot. That would be the biggest thing that will help you do the things that you really want to do in life to make you succeed.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 54:46

But question number three, your favorite song that gets you in a better, better place or a better mood? And if it's not, if you can't think of one particular song, I'll go with the John Right. So either one is okay,

Unknown: 55:02

you're gonna learn a lot about me. So I'm like I said that my first cassette tape was Bone Thugs and harmony. So you can see a little bit where I'm going with this. So, a lot of like 80s 90s Hip hop is what gets me kind of like in the zone. Oh, yeah, like my favorite song of all time. It doesn't get me like hyped, but it takes nothing but a GE thing by Snoop and Dre. I mean, that's, that's my favorite song of all time. Anything two pockets? Well, you're learning a lot about me right now. I wasn't ready for the rapid fire. Okay, yeah. I would have had a more calculated PC answer. But no, no. My Truth is anything. Hip Hop related? Again, 80s 90s 2000s nothing newer. Really? Yes, that gets me in the zone for sure. Terry, you

Dr. Terry Weyman: 55:50

got one. You got us on the floor. It's not to park it's so funny because Spencer and I he's been banned from the NFL and all that he just was pretty much raised with the locker room songs and all that. I wasn't I'm more of a AC DC guy. You know, I'm more of a heavy metal you know my for triumph. ACDC scorpions. That's my gianduia Oh, my

Unknown: 56:21

God. I can confidently say that's not on my playlist Yeah, haven't haven't rocked out to get hyped up. But well, you know, I can see why people love it.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 56:35

Oh, my gosh, that's great. Well, I guess depending on my mood, I mean, like Terry was right. I love Rick Ross, Rick Ross KidsPeace, like dag break out in a sweat with some of that rap, you know, and then and then I think but if you would have asked me right off the start that question I would have probably said Leonard Skinner Saturday Night Special or Led Zeppelin Stairway to Heaven. It helps me in this state. Right that you just you can feel like you could break through a wall

Dr. Terry Weyman: 57:00

or even Aerosmith, Draymond? Yeah. Yeah. Love those two. Yeah. The funny thing is, I know we're going off tangent, which we always do when we first started this. Spencer mentioned a song called it was and I can't even tell you he will. But it's the title is cry like a bitch. And I ended up putting it on my playlist. That song comes up every time I need it. And I'll be like, I'm done. And also that cry like a bitch. Oh, my god dammit, Spencer. And I just get going again. So that song in the last two years has come around. And it's always hit me at the right time. And I forgot I would never have heard it if it was no easy about that if it wasn't for him. So

Unknown: 57:44

I've actually never heard it. But I'll tell you what, I wrote it down.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 57:47

Whose advice? I'm going

Unknown: 57:49

to I'm going to listen to it to you both. And see I'm going to see how it makes me feel. Oh,

Dr. Terry Weyman: 57:56

we'll make it we'll make you feel. I mean, there's no doubt about it.

Unknown: 58:01

Yeah, yeah, we might 5050 battle and I'm gonna I'm gonna listen to it. I'm gonna listen to it. We'll see what happens. Yeah,

Dr. Spencer Baron: 58:08

it's it's a heavy, it's a heavy metal but it's it's a metal song. You know, it's good. And, and, you know, to be fair, sometimes, you know, something from the 80s or 70s or 80s. Chaka Khan, you know, I don't know where my mood is. Could be so diverse. But anyway, I love Chaka Khan. Story.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 58:30

Okay, it's plagued by Godsmack it's by God. So that's right. That's right. Godsmack

Dr. Spencer Baron: 58:36

thank God Smith,

Unknown: 58:36

the name of the group, okay. I'm learning. I'm trying not to analyze Dr. Jerry over here. You can go. You got to pay to play you got to pay to play psychoanalysis, but you can't Godsmack

Dr. Terry Weyman: 58:54

I will keep psychologists busy for hours. So

Dr. Spencer Baron: 59:05

I never really got you back. Because like blasphemy, that's like, terrible. But Oh, all right. I'm gonna move on to something a little more benign. Question number four. If you if you can only watch the first one the question number four. If you can be one person from the past, who would it be? And what would you ask them? Would

Unknown: 59:28

dr. Terry be upset if I said Tupac? I would say I will go into pockets on my mind. And I think, you know, he had a lot of different elements of himself. But I think for being super, super young. He had a ton of wisdom and I always try from a diversity standpoint to understand the black experience and I think he would have a lot of insights to share about what that was like. So hear through his music, but being able to have a conversation with him, I think would be really enlightening for me, because he was very deep and a lot of wisdom and for such a young age, so that that would be my answer, but probably because I was primed on question number three. From what I listen to

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:00:19

you can always go with diversity and talk about Bob Marley. very philosophical we go different different John, I want to

Unknown: 1:00:25

get into a good vibe I do put on like beach radio. A little bit of Bob Marley, Three Little Birds, you know, I got Yeah,

Dr. Terry Weyman: 1:00:33

I actually, I actually went to one of his concerts in Costa Rica so it was pretty cool. So I can I can I be the suddenly California surfer boy, I can I can get the Bob Marley.

Unknown: 1:00:46

We agree on some type of genre. Oh, absolutely. There we go. I feel more connected with you all now. Thank you.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 1:00:53

Thank ya. Good. Do I get on your list now? Yeah, well, I get on your list. Are you still full? Still folks. Love you though. I appreciate that.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:01:13

Question number five last and final question most overused motivational slogan or statement that kind of drives you crazy? And if you have a better one, what would you suggest? Hmm,

Unknown: 1:01:27

I can't think of a specific one that bothers me. But all I know is I tried CrossFit once. And I love CrossFit as a thing. But I remember I was the last one to finish and it wasn't finished it. Everybody kept throwing out all of those like mantras, like, you can do it, like you got this. And I was just like, like, I'm struggling, I'm good. Like, I have intrinsic motivation. And extrinsic so so I can't think of one specifically. But any along those lines of like, you can do it like, you know, those those I would say, I would say those but actually the one that I do use though, and I use it myself, I use it with one of my patients is like you got this, right, like you got this, like just plain and simple. You got this with the period, no exclamation, you got this meaning like, just be competent, trust yourself. You've done so many things in the past, and you're gonna be able to do more in the presence in the future. So you got this is the one that I if you hear that from me, and I don't say it unless I believe it by the way. Like if I know someone's struggling, and I can I know where they're at. I won't say it. Like if I say that to you. So all the patients or listeners out there, if I say you've got this, that truly means I believe in you and you can do it. I reserve that phrase for when I they're ready. Right. So that's, that's my favorite one that I use for myself. And for a lot of people. Oh,

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:02:42

that's great. Well, we want to wrap it up. And I just want to give you another second or two to, if there's anything we haven't asked you that you feel compelled or would like to share with our listening and viewing audiences or if there's anything in particular that you'd like to sign off with. Go for it.

Unknown: 1:03:03

Sure, sure. And I appreciate the opportunity being here. By the way, this is a blast, you guys are amazing. And I love being able to, you know, promote and advocate for mental health. You guys are amazingly schooled on the medical physical side. But I know both of you and you both obviously care about the mental, emotional social science. So I appreciate you guys like you, who really put this out there for listeners to be able to find a way to learn about themselves from the top down. So really appreciate you being here appreciate you guys. I would just say, as far as a ending note, it would be do that self reflection piece, like in order to be a good athlete, which is what a lot of us work with. Or if you want to get your life in with a lot of success. Make sure you do some self reflection, some self awareness, you got to know what you struggle with in order to fix it. And a lot of times we don't do that. So. And also I would say just know your worth. So many people struggle with the insecurities, the anxieties. So knowing that you have value is one of the most important things you can have as an individual. And also, knowing that things will be okay. With the pandemic, like we talked about, with all the stressors, all the curveballs that come our way all the changes. But challenges, just know that you will be okay you will find a solution you will execute it might not be the best one might not be the only one but you'll just pick one and you'll get through it just like you always have from your entire life. Right? So knowing your worth and believing that you can do this and it'd be okay. There's one of the biggest things that I'd like to preach to everybody out there in addition to this self reflection piece, so again, great chatting with you guys today and I hope all the listeners out there can utilize some of these approaches to better themselves as an athlete, or as an

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:04:59

SCA I love it. Dr. Scott Lydic You were absolutely fantastic, man. Really? I mean, there's so much juice in today's conversation. Thank you so much. Appreciate you. Appreciate you guys. Thanks, Dan for having you and everyone else. Enjoy it. Thank you for listening to today's episode of The cracking backs podcast. We hope you enjoyed it. Make sure you follow us on Instagram at cracking backs podcast. catch new episodes every Monday. See you next time.