What Secret Techniques Did Dr. Troy Van Biezen Use to Help Golfers Win Olympic Gold and other PGA Majors

In this episode of the Crackin’ Backs Podcast, we sit down with Dr. Troy Van Biezen, the chiropractor behind some of the most successful names in professional golf. With a career that spans decades and includes work with elite athletes like Scottie Sheffler, Jordan Spieth, Rickie Fowler, and Zach Johnson, Dr. Van Biezen has been instrumental in helping golfers achieve remarkable success, including Olympic gold and multiple PGA majors.

Dr. Van Biezen, a former professional hockey player turned top-tier chiropractor, has revolutionized the approach to sports performance and injury prevention in golf. His integrative methodologies, which combine chiropractic care, soft tissue techniques, and corrective exercises, have set a new standard for athlete care.

In this episode, Dr. Van Biezen reveals the specific physical preparation strategies he uses to help his players excel on the world’s biggest stages. He also shares his insights into how the sport of golf has evolved, particularly in terms of athletic training, and dispels common misconceptions about the physical and mental demands of the game.

We also delve into the most common injuries seen among professional golfers, and Dr. Van Biezen provides essential tips on how both amateur and elite players can prevent and manage these injuries through chiropractic care and other targeted strategies.

Whether you’re a golfer, a sports enthusiast, or someone interested in the science of peak performance, this episode is a goldmine of information. Tune in to learn the secrets that have kept top golfers at the top of their game!

Learn More: For more information about Dr. Troy Van Biezen and his cutting-edge approach to chiropractic care, visit ChiroSport Specialists of Dallas​ (ChiroSport Specialists of Dallas). You can also follow Dr. Van Biezen on Twitter or on Instagram for the latest updates and insights from the world of sports chiropractic.

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Transcript

Dr. Spencer Baron: 0:00

Welcome to the directed backs podcast today, we've got a powerhouse guest, Dr Troy Van beesen, the go to chiropractor for the world's top professional golfers, and I mean it from Olympic gold PGA majors. Dr van Beeson has been behind some of the most remarkable successes in golf. In this episode, we talk about the secret physical preparation strategies that have helped his players excel in the grandest stages, plus we'll explore how Golf has evolved over the years, and the surprising physical and mental demands of the sport and the insider tips you need to prevent injuries. Whether you're an amateur or a pro, stay tuned. You're not going to want to miss this one.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 0:47

All right. Well, I'm actually pumped about today. We have a good friend of ours we've known for decades. Finally, on the show, trying to get this guy to give us an hour. It's not, you know, we always hate the word I'm busy. But this guy truly is busy, as he takes care of all the top golfers. He was with Dallas Cowboys. He's now with the Dallas Stars hockey team. I don't know how that guy does it. I can barely even manage my own two patients and get up in the morning. So I'm really excited that we finally got our good friend Troy van Beeson on the show. Man, it's good to see you, buddy. It's been way too long.

Unknown: 1:23

Hey guys, good seeing you as well. Yeah, appreciate the timing. Yeah, absolutely. Well,

Dr. Terry Weyman: 1:28

I got work, even though you have facets in the NFL and major league hockey. I have to tell you, one of the things I got into that I wanted to get you on, is Netflix started a series on golf. And, you know, we are really big f1 fans, and we started f1 because of Netflix, and I have my wife now who doesn't even hold a club, doesn't even know how to hold a club, watching golf and cheering for these golfers, because she doesn't like this guy's wife, and she likes this guy's habits at home and and she knows, you know, she feels like she knows these people personally, and she knows nothing about golf, but she's, she's even in a in a pool, a golf betting pool with her brothers, all because of Netflix. So, and you take care of her favorite golfer, Scotty Scheffler. And so I, you know, I have to, we have to start. We're going to talk golf today. So you've worked with the top golfers. And fast guy just won the gold in Paris, and, you know, he just comes across like an amazing man. And you know, amazing man is not going to hang out with with a dirtbag doctor, you know. So it says a lot about you as a human being as well, that, you know. So can you share us some what you how you got into the whole golf scene and how it's transformed.

Unknown: 2:43

Oh yeah. It's been a, obviously, an incredible journey. It's been, I've been traveling the PGA tour now for 20 years. Oh yeah, 20 years, so doing about 200 plus days a year on the road. Yeah, some, some, it's been a big grind. Yeah. And I it's the golf kind of fell into my lap. So as you guys know, I'm actually from, originally from Canada. Hockey player played college and worked on and off with the Dallas Stars hockey team in different capacities over the years, while hockey players love golf and who they play golf with in the summertime, while they play with the professional golfers. So you provide a good service. You take care of some, some, you know, some athletes. They start talking. Your name gets thrown around, and that's kind of how it started. I took care of a golfer. Gosh, 20 years ago, he recommended me to work on the PGA Tour sports medicines staff. I did that for about eight years, and then a handful of guys pulled me off that trailer, and I've been working with golfers exclusively for the last, gosh, I guess, 12 years now. So I have eight guys I travel with again, 200 plus days a year on the road, domestic, international, Australia, Korea, Japan, England, Scotland, all over the world. And it's, it's interesting, and you guys know this is when you start taking care of some people, and you provide a good service, and you're just a good person. Your name gets thrown around. And in the professional athlete world, the circle of trust is really small. You guys know that you get calls from football, baseball, hockey, whatever, the golf just kind of started, and now my clinic in Dallas has evolved into the go to place for athletes, but more so a junior golf development place to go. So under my in my clinic, it's we got a bunch of things going on. We have this medicine component, we have the performance gym, and then we have a golf shop next door. So if you're a golfer, you come in, you get your therapy, you get your chiropractic, you get your training, you get your recovery room, and then you can get you go next door, you get your golf, you know, your clubs fixed, custom fit, whatever. So I started working with Scotty at about 14 years old. Uh, so we've been together now, gosh, what? He's down 28 almost 15 years. And yeah, he came as a little kid, he was having a lot of back pain, and his coach, Randy Smith, brought him in, and that's kind of how our relationship started. And back then, he was a short little kid, and then as he was getting high school into college, he turned to the six foot four monster, and my biggest struggle with him is when he went off to play University of Texas, his swing wasn't mechanically sound. He still wasn't dialed in on taking care of himself off the golf course. He just wanted to play golf, and that's what most kids are like. So it got to a point where his back was so bad he got he pulled out of a tournament, and I got a call from Scotty senior, and they both drove up on a Saturday, met me at the clinic, and said, Enough is enough. If you want to play professional golf, you guys start taking care of yourself. It was a pretty big intervention, and I think that was the the time where Scotty said, Yeah, you're right. I have to, if I want to complain the PGA Tour and compete with the best in the world, I have to take care of myself. So he put a plan back then it was hard for me to control everything, because obviously he's in college, but their head coach, John fields, was very open. Obviously, Scotty was one of the best college players in the world, and we, we put a program together. I found a good team of guys around him in Austin, Texas. He got through school, and yeah, he's been with me ever since full time, and it's been, it's been really cool to see. It's kind of like deja vu for me. I went through the same thing with Jordan Spieth. I worked with Jordan Spieth since he was 15. Both Dallas boys, both University of Texas boys, both number one the world, both major champions. They're obviously good friends. And so, yeah, it's been a it's been a really cool, real cool journey. I've been very, very blessed.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 6:52

You know, a lot of people back in in our day looked at golf as a leisure sport, you know? And then people like Tiger Woods came in and started changing it into a physical sport. And you saw, you saw what John Daly would have a, you know, a drink in one hand, swinging a club with the other, so to speak. And and then we heard on a show, the golf is one of the most high velocity sports in the world. You know, the arc and, and, and, and so it's really transformed. What have you seen in your 20 years of golf, this transformation from leisure to gnarly athlete?

Unknown: 7:32

Yeah, the game itself has completely evolved. When I first started on the PGA Tour, there was really no workouts. Nobody's getting in treatment unless they're hurt. Is all reactive care. There's no recovery. Yeah, it's just kind of weird. And into your point, I remember taking care of guys after the round. They come into the sport medicine trailer, crack open a beer, sit down, have a talk with you. That was their post round treatment. That was their deal. So and then it's evolved. Now you got, and I'll give a little statistic. Every time you swing your driver, there's eight times of compressive shearing forces on your lumbar spine. Every time you swing a driver, eight times compressive shooting force in your lumbar spine. We are chiropractors. Are the most important profession in the golf industry, because we are experts in back pain, right? You understand how to fix the backs the Tennessee the stress on the backs, over and over. I mean, you got the game now, you guys know it's a power game, right? So now you have athletes. You have a Scottish efforts, Dustin Johnson's, Brooks, Katka Bryson, Roy McElroy, like it's a power game. It's all about speed. I mean, clubhead speed, balls, ball head speeds, the fastest ever been. It's, it is you got these guys who are kind of tall, thin, lanky, can coil up and just absolutely just annihilate that ball. And now you have guys and now, present I'm saving last five to 10 years, you have players now who have 5678, guys around them, putting coach, swing, Coach Vento, coach, trainer Cairo. I mean, they have a whole entourage that falls around city to city. And you know, we do pre, pre round warm ups. We do post round trip training. We do cryo, we do IV drip, we do red light, we do, I mean, everything you can think of, we go all the way down to HRV, like I measure my guys HRV every morning as we go throughout the year. So there's a lot of biometrics we take into account. What does that body tell me, physiologically? Are they tired? Are they fatigued? Can they go? Can I push them to GM? Is it a rest day? There's a lot that goes on. You see the kid, you know, the guys teeing off on the first E but there's a lot that goes on behind the scenes to to number one, to compete at the level in the PJ tour, and number two to be the best in the world. And number three stayed to be the best in the world. And this kid is, you've seen him, he's he challenges me, he challenges himself, he pushes himself. You. Yeah. I mean, literally, he got back Monday from the Olympics. He's been overseas for four weeks. Played the, you know, the British Open, Scottish, and they played Paris. I got a text message from at 230 in the afternoon on Monday, and he was in a gym Tuesday morning, training, getting treatment. That's how that kid operates, yeah. So it's, uh, it's, it's, it's cool to see, for me, on a selfish level, I've controlled everything since he was 14, recovery, training, rehab, hydration, you think about it, and it's, it's been neat to see him rise to, obviously, to where he is now. But most important, I think, for him, you guys see this now, which is very refreshing in the professional sports world. He's a good kid, he's, he's, he's, he's very humble. He understands it's just a game. He doesn't identify himself with the game. And so he's, it's good. Like, you guys know that you've been in sports, there's some, a lot of controversial athletes out there, all about all about themselves, all about building their brand. And Scotty is, like, you know what? I love golf. I love playing the game. I love competing. And that's it. Not on social media. No social media for him. So yeah, it doesn't walk around his phone like most athletes do. I never see with his phone on in his hand. So we

Dr. Spencer Baron: 11:15

call some of those athletes entitled. They feel like they're entitled, and it's a different breed, but it's nice to hear. I remember back in like 2008 that there was an article that came out about a golfer. I wish I could remember his name, but he was the first one that was that was weight training and that they made a big deal about it. I I actually contacted him to to I was writing a book back then, Secrets of the game, and I I connected with he didn't want people to know about him. He didn't want other golfers to know that there's this thing called weight training for golfers. Yeah,

Unknown: 11:54

Spencer, it's crazy. You guys know this. Like my guys don't want other guys to know what we're doing behind the scenes. They don't when I brought in, when I brought in red light, infrared recovery. Don't tell them. I don't want to know when I'm doing HRV measurements. I'm doing all the, you know, the functional testing I'm doing. Don't tell anybody. So in a golf that's you have to be very selfish to be very good in golf, right? It's all about you. Um, some guys take it a little too to the extreme. But you, you to be at it to be the best in the world. You, you have to be selfish. And that's just in any individual sport, gymnastics, diving, with a team sport, you got your guys around you. You got your support staff around you. You kind of help each other out. These guys are competing against each other. So even though I got back in the day, so Justin Thomas, Ricky Fowler, Jordan, Spieth, Scotty, Zach Johnson, some of the best players and most recognized the names in the world. Those are my guys I traveled with, and they didn't want to know, or they would say, Hey, don't tell the other guys what we're doing. It's because they all, they all want that competitive edge. It's so it was kind of weird. As close as they are and as good friends as they are, out of out of the golf course, they're gonna want to beat the crap out of each other.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 13:15

So Troy, let me ask you, for the audience and myself, do you? Are you allowed to tell us what HRV is.

Unknown: 13:23

Yeah, all that is, and I started doing this 10 years ago. Even for anybody who's even doing it, it's a measurement of, basically, it's called heart rate variability. It's a measure of your if you're in your parasympathetic or sympathetic mode, are you fatigued neurologically? Because the biggest thing when your HRV goes bad, you you perform bad, it's it's a way of measuring over training and in golf and any other sport, and you do a lot of travel, a lot of miles, lot of hotels, time zone changes. It takes a toll on your body. It really does. And so for me, I don't mind my guys having slow starts. I rather than peak at the at the end, where it matters the most, whether it's the playoffs, Olympics, the majors, and that's just a good way of you. I've done over the years, is to measure what my player is dealing with that day, and then how. What's the game plan as far as treating, you know, training, treatment, active, day, recovery, day, whatever. So, yeah,

Dr. Spencer Baron: 14:18

so HRV was a method to determine whether you're over training, overtraining in any sport, but I don't recall. How is it measured? Is it blood pressure? Is

Unknown: 14:30

it pulsar, HRV, yeah. How

Dr. Spencer Baron: 14:33

are you doing? Yeah. So

Unknown: 14:34

it's basically, it's, it's, it's, there's a whole algorithm that's involved, but that measures your heart rate, your your respiration, blood pressure, all of the neurophysiological things that go on with you. Then they're then they have a it's an algorithm. They determine what your HRV is. So that's the best we understand. It's basically, are you in a sympathetic fight or flight mode? Are you in a parasympathetic, resting, digesting mode? Are you kind of in the middle, and that's the that's what there's the technology, and this is gonna be interesting. I get this as a little time in sports, maybe more so golf, the best players the world are getting younger and younger quicker. Right? Technology now is decreasing the learning curve for all athletes, whether it's training, whether it's recovery, whether it's the technical part of the game, whether it's mechanics, where it's biomechanics, their their learning curve is so fast, and that's why you're seeing such a young group of young look at the Olympics. Look at these young athletes like high school. So that's what you're seeing now in in for and I always say this for us as chiropractors, and I've traveled around the world multiple times over the years, and you you see the same group of chirals Taking care of certain athletes and and it's amazing. The how is, what the word is how much they depend on us. It's amazing. Now most of the guys are pretty well educated in recovery, manual therapy, chiropractic, biometrics, functional assessment, like it's a whole package, right? And I had to do that on the golf, on the golf because, out of necessity, because that's what my players wanted. When you get to football or hockey or whatever you do, you have your role as a chiropractor and you have the other support staff around you, so you're that's fine. In golf, you have to be the guy like there's no support staff around there. So every player builds a team around them, and what's happened is evolved. More and more. Cairo's are starting to learn more and more about the human body, separate from just the chiropractic side of it, and they become more valuable, and they're a massive asset to these athletes. Where there's nutrition, like I said, it's there's so much that goes on right now, and I've seen evolution, like when I was out there, there was nobody, and I'll tell you at the last major. So I want to say there's probably about 25 Cairo's out there. Wow, 25 Cairo's out there, and each Cairo probably had four or five golfers on their team. Oh, yeah. It is a very, it is a very lucrative business. It's cool, yeah, very, very lucrative, because there's a lot of money out there guys, and if you can have an athlete keep playing for a long period of time, you know, they can make a lot of money. So

Dr. Terry Weyman: 17:29

going back to the HRV I use, are you doing this all manually, or are using a with technology, using a machine to plug in the numbers? Or are you doing this mathematically just from years of experience?

Unknown: 17:40

Oh, back in the day, yes, you it was a lot of work on my end. But now you can go with the ORA ring, or the whoop which you see a lot of guys wear, and it automatically spits out, and it's real time. It's real time. And so I have, I have the app on my phone. I know that guy's HRV before they go to bed. I know the HRV when they wake up. So did they sleep? Did they not sleep? Time Zone change affects something. Did they have a couple beers at night like I they can't hide from me anymore. And that's the thing is, is I'm making these, these athletes, I'm making these guys more accountable, if that makes sense. And Scotty doesn't know any different. He's he's been, we've been doing this since he's 14. He does no he has no difference. This is what he knows. So when I get him at a young age and I can, and he, as you guys know, lot of athletes go everywhere, like squirrels, right? Oh, this guy's great. This guy. And so with him, he's like, You know what I've been successful with, what I've done, I'm stinks. I don't need to change anything. I'm just going to try to get better every day and just keep doing what I'm doing. So

Dr. Terry Weyman: 18:39

that's amazing. So you, you have all your athletes. If they don't have it, you go, you need to buy one of these devices, and you need to let me plug in so I can manage your care. That's all, yeah, 100%

Unknown: 18:50

Yeah. And that's what you'll see, like a ray McElroy, Justin Thomas, you see that little band on their left arm? That's their whoop right? So that's it's measuring their strain, heart rate, respiration, while they play a lot of stuff. We'll do behind the scenes, the mental side of it, we go into a lot of breathing patterns. How to your breathing patterns? Change your brainwave patterns so you you do your you owe through your breathing exercise to get your in this zone before you compete, which drops your HRV down with now you're not the fight or flight anymore. There's, there's a lot that goes on. So, Oh,

Dr. Terry Weyman: 19:21

totally Yeah, they

Dr. Spencer Baron: 19:23

did. They like this mental toughness coach thing, or, you know, mental coach, or whatever they call it, which is really like a psychologist or a psychotherapist, but, you know, we wouldn't call it that in sports, because, right, right, you know, that's kind of a it's a relatively new thing over the past, you know, 10 years or so, and some of the pro teams have them. And does each player have one like that? Someone I trust like that? Yeah,

Unknown: 19:51

I was in the tour. I would say there's probably four or five. I see it regularly every week. So then, and I don't I. I think I do more on the mental side for my players, with its nutrition recovery, HRV training, sleep mechanics, whatever I say, I would say there are more life coaches. You know. How do you find the balance with your family? Off the course, on the course, travel with your family. And some of them are pretty good that they'll teach them, you know, external environment, right? Don't you can't control the crowd, you can't control a bad balance. You can't control the wind. All you can control is your shot, right? Your training, your sleep, your nutrition. Those are the intangibles that we can control. So I think with Scotty, he does a really good so a little secret about Scotty Scheffler, he is a massive Tiger Woods fan, massive so if you watch, he doesn't say much about this. He wore Tiger Woods shoes. He wore Tiger Woods golf shirt, and he's his. You guys know this. I've worked with Tiger for five or six years. So he's got a lot of tiger with mannerisms. And every once while he's I'll say something, he goes, Yeah, I know Tiger did that. Like, oh. So on the mental preparation side of it, at a young age, he was already getting himself prepared, kind of like what Tiger's dad was doing with Tiger and with Scott. If you watch him play, you don't know if he's five over, you don't know he's five under. He's just even keel. He doesn't get up, doesn't get down. He's very emotional, stays very present. Yeah? And he just if he has a back, and he's the best players in the world, if they have a bad hole, Bogey, double bogey, they always bounce back with a birdie, birdie, birdie, right? They have short term memory. They shut it off. They move forward. What's in front of me. Go play. We have a lot of guys just Harbor that bad hole. They go bold you, and they just go downhill and they can't get out of it. And that separates because they all most of them now work out. Most of them train. Most of them get their treatments they need. It's the mental side of how the self talk, the short term memories being present. You know, all the things you hear, the cliches, but it's true. That's, hey, that's how it works.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 22:09

Before we talk about the common injuries, what's you talked about? It's a power game now. And you talked about the eight times compressive force in the lumbar spine. Can you tell us about how Golf has evolved. So the average golfer, the amateur that goes out there, before we talk injuries, they understand what these guys are going through. I mean, when I the amount of force, they short arc force and all that kind of stuff. Can you kind of explain the physical demands of the sport to bring that in, and then we can talk injuries.

Unknown: 22:42

Yeah, yeah. So a couple, probably one of the most important things on my end of it is it is a sport that is asymmetric, asymmetrical nature, right? It's a one sided repetitive movement over and over and over again, and as chiropractors understand that creates a lot of imbalances and asymmetries in the body, right? So when you start getting asymmetrical, whether it's a misaligned pelvis or whatever it may be, over develop a certain muscle groups under development other muscle groups, that's when you start having pain, and obviously, at some point have an injury, when you have the asymmetry, that's probably one of the biggest things, and that's more for any sport, quarterback, tennis, player, golf, those are really big things we look at, and that's and for me, what I do, we can talk about this a little bit more. I basically treat every single player before they tee off and after they tee off, right? I'm making sure everything, proper range of motion, proper alignment, muscle testing, anything that I can control and change before they play is very, very critical, important for injury prevention, but also for for performance. I would say, like, for example, when you let's talk about the the pros, when they pull the club away in under two second, their jittering club hits be up to 120 miles an hour. That's insane. Not only do you have to get to that speed, now you have to decelerate that club head, speed past impact, decelerate 120 miles an hour. So with the amateur, depending on age group, there are probably around 95 miles an hour, 90 miles an hour. So what I've noticed, and that's this has been my battle with my amateurs, that I take care of lot in my office is everybody wants to buy a new ball. Everybody wants to buy a new driver. But it's at most part. It's not really the arrow, it's the Indian, right? So the most important golf club in your bag is the human body, the body swinging the club, and it requires flexibility, requires range of motion. It cries stability. And if you don't have that, man, that's a tough game to play. And what I've noticed over the years with a lot of my clients, everybody works their butt off their whole career, right? They travel, they sit in it off, and sit on a plane, and also they step up, they put a ball in the tee box, and they feel. They can swing the club well, but they don't work on their body. They can't move anymore. They don't have the flexibility. So our biggest thing we've done in our clinic is teaching people how to stretch, what to stretch, pre warm up like you play football, baseball, hockey, you're going to stretch before you play. Golf is no different, but there's always been that stigma that golf is not an athletic sport, but based what I just told you guys, it is an athletic movement. It is a massive athletic movement. You need a lot of athletic capabilities to be able to play the game of golf the way you want to play it for a long period of time, right? So that's a huge one that's that's always been a battle in the PGA Tour. It's completely gone 180 I think some of it has gone too far past the bell curve. You're starting to see a lot of college I do, I do, do a lot of work with college golf teams. They're now into Olympic lifting, which is, to me, it's ridiculous, it's absurd. But they see that on social media. They think it's great, it's sexy, it's powerful. Look at me. You know that testosterone starts floating around in the gym. It serves no purpose. So I always try with my guys, especially Scotty, because he'll bring some stuff up to me. I'm like, listen, let's keep it simple, but let's keep it effective. And I look at things as, you know, a risk reward, if we're gonna do this, what's my reward versus what's my risk? If it's high risk, low reward, I'm not doing that. We're out. And that was a big, a big learning curve for Tiger, because he would, you want to do a lot of things are just not good for the body. So, yeah,

Dr. Spencer Baron: 26:38

hey, let me ask you, actually, it was interesting that you said that, and I am so glad you mentioned it, because I I had seen quarterbacks doing power cleans and deadlifts deep into the season, and we thought, why are they making them do this? This is crazy. So I'm glad you mentioned that. Let me ask you about an interesting issue that's come up. You know, golf being a precision sport, just like a punter or a kicker is a precision position. Have you ever had golfers not want to get treated before because they feel like they've practiced with their imbalances or their irregularities or their issue, and then if you correct it, they think that it might throw them off. Yeah,

Unknown: 27:26

I've come across that. It's been it's few, not many. I had a guy that he likes to play stiff. Yeah. He says, I feel, I feel, I play better when I'm more stiff and I don't turn as well. But this is also the guy that always hurt. So nice, yeah. So he was always hurt, interesting. And I said, Well, what do you want to do? You want to play stiff and hurt, or you don't want to play learn how to play the game with better movement, better freedom and not get hurt? And he looked at me, and he goes, good point. Yeah, very nice. Good point. Oh, go ahead.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 28:04

It's so funny, because I would have people when, you know, tiger or these other guys, and they're going, yeah, they're on their third knee surgery, or they're on their, you know, their second hip surgery, and they're like, it's golf. How are they blowing their knees out? How you brought up the part about being a unilateral torque sport. Can you talk about some of the injuries that you're seeing and how you prepare to avoid these? Yeah, I

Unknown: 28:28

think if you look at like a knee issue or a back issue, the two common denominator is, do you have the hip flexibility to turn into that hip, and do you have that hips ability to post up on that hip, to take the stress off the knee and the back, right? So hold a second. My dog's barking. I thought that was yours, Terry, you have

Dr. Spencer Baron: 28:51

to see

Unknown: 28:58

a squirrel in the backyard or something. Yeah. When you So, when you look at like a knee issue, and this is basically a lot of sport, but more so in rotary in nature, you look at basically two body parts to rotate. You look at the mid back has to have rotation right, and the hips need to rotate when you rotate it swinging your golf club. If you look at the lumbar spine, l1 to l5 you add all that range of motion, there's only 12 degrees of rotation than lumbar spine, right? So lumbar spine is not really made for rotation. It's made for flexion, extension. So if I lose the thoracic mobility and the hip mobility, and I want to play a rotary game, quarterback, tennis, golf, whatever, those of those are the, probably the most important things I would look at first, do you have normal range of motion a thoracic spine? And have normal range motion if you have internal, external rotation, if you don't, and you continue to rotate, that rotary stress will now go into the lumbar spine, and that's when the lumbar spine starts breaking down, because now that, because it's not made for that motion, right? Um. I'll give a good example this Spencer can appreciate this quarterback for the Dallas Cowboys, Tony Romo, okay, we all know about his back issue. So Tony had to retire. Tony George B tried to, just been trying to get Tony in office for a long time. Finally, they went try to play golf. Tony couldn't play golf. He died after eight holes. I can't play anymore. And literally, after Tony's career, he couldn't do much because he was in so much back pain. And the medical staff said, Well, that's something going to deal with. We're done with your kind kind of situation. So George, like, will you please go see Troy. You have nothing to lose. And so I was like, Okay, I'll go Tony's thoracic move rotation and hip rotation was, oh, 15% normal. He's a quarterback that has to rotate. He has to step onto that left foot, rotate the left, release the ball. So I said, Tony may tell you something, you're probably the worst rotary athlete I've ever tested. I said, I don't think your back is an issue. I think the body parts above and below your back are not doing their job, and your low back's taking the hit when you want to play golf. And he looks like he gave me like, What are you talking about? So I said, these are your numbers, and these are normal numbers. You're well below 50% so anytime you try to rotate in golf, your stress is going into your back. It's not made to rotate. I said, Give me six weeks. I'll get you back in the golf course. Okay, okay, okay. Two weeks later, I get I was at my daughter's gymnastics competition. I get the phone rings. It's Tony. I didn't pick it up because it sold out in the convention center. It was a four minute long voicemail. I'm like, Oh, great. He hurt his back. He's going down Tony, went out and played golf, played 18 holes for the first time in over five years with no back pain. Yeah, he was like a kid in the candy store, like he was so excited, because that was his sport. He wanted to play, compete at after football. And he's really good. You guys seen him. He played a PDA Tour. He's played in Lake Tahoe event. He Tony played 252, rounds last year, when he he came and he goes, Why didn't the medical staff know this. I like Tony. I could sit down all day and talk to you about this, but we're not going to do that. He goes, I can play football again. I go, I know you could. And you guys, I know I could. You could. He was furious, furious, upset. He did go to the owner, and he did go to the coaches and and express his view viewpoint. So when you start understanding how the human body norm moves normally, and then you start looking at how moves abnormally, and the stress it places on the body, coupled with the rotary stress of the nature of the sport, you're going down if you're not taking care of yourself the way you should be taking care of yourself. So that's probably number one. And I get this all the time, so I'll give a good example. Left hip inter rotation normal is about 35 to 45 degrees, depending on age group. Okay, I had the greatest player in the game come to me with back pain. His hip internal rotation was 1111, so he could not rotate into the left side. So what he was doing he was what we call hanging back. So he's putting a tremendous amount of lateral flexion rotor rotation, so the facet joints on the right side of his back are just getting torqued because he wasn't rotating to the left. He was hanging back. He was working with a trainer, full time personal trainer he hired, and they were focused on the right side, because he said the right side was the problem, because where the pain was like, no, no, no, no, no. It's called cause and effect. Your left side's not doing his job. Your right side's taking a hit to hit. Let me fix your left side. There's a lot more going on to that, and your right side will settle down. So he actually came to me on a Monday. We're at Carnoustie over in Scotland, and he came in throughout because his back was so bad, one of my guys brought him in. So I explained him why he was swinging the club, why he's doing with the body, why the back was bugging him, why he was blocking the ball, right? I didn't even see him swing. I knew it's going to block the ball right off the tee, because the way his body was and the way his club face was going to come to impact. And he goes, Yeah, man, I've been doing that all year. I can't fix it. I said, because your body's not allowing you to you can play the game, just your bodies can't do that. So Monday, treat him twice. Tuesday, treat him twice. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, comes in. Go through all my testing. It was the best he ever tested. And. Range of motion, muscle testing, pelvic alignment, everything. And I looked at another player. I said, watch what this guy's gonna do today. Shot six under and was tied for the lead at a major he comes back after Saturday and he looks and he goes, Are you freaking kidding me? I said you have the ability to play a high level game, but in this game, at this high level, your body's not allowing you what you want to do in your golf swing. And part two is you're chasing the pain you're not chasing that's causing the pain. I said, Think of me. I said, Think of me. You're the race car. I'm the pit crew chief. Let me look under the hood. Let's figure out what's going on with all the engine parts, what's not working and what's putting stress on the other parts, so you don't break down. Man, what can can you talk to my trainer? That's what started our relationship. And now he went, he wins the Masters, wins the Tour Championship, he wins the Zozo championship in Japan. So, yeah, that's great. It just got goosebumps. Let me ask you, Troy, no no.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 36:10

Let me just before we go on, I want to for because, you know, most of our listeners are either amateurs or whatever they are, but we

Dr. Terry Weyman: 36:19

have Scotty listen to us now, because Troy's on the show. So we have pros now.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 36:25

So what about some, just some basic stretches or exercises that you would as a preventative measure, and maybe even if someone's feeling some some discomfort, assuming that those particular areas are overworked, like the hips or the thoracic or what have you.

Unknown: 36:46

Yeah, keep this very, very simple, right? Because there's obviously every comes in with different, different conditions, different situations. But I would say the to go before I play a game of golf, three body parts you want to open up increase range of motion or flexibility is the hips. So number one, black people sit a lot, so I'd say go and start doing some little bit of Hip Flexor Stretches, right? Some glued stretches. I call it a 9090, hip stretch. I would go into, like a prayer stretch, open up the shoulders, the lats. I would do what's called Open Books. So you lay on your side, you just do some thoracic rotation. Open Books. Yeah, that would if you could just build those three body parts, which would take you 10 minutes. You're you know the considerably different on how you play the game and how you feel while you play, if you're consistent with that, and that's what we do. That's the battle we have with a lot of our guys, like a lot of our amateur guys, who come in a clinic, they go to the gym and they work out right? They want to get to keep the muscle mass on. They want to look good and earn their golf shirt quality of life, but they don't stretch, they can't move, but they want to swing a golf club. So I'm like, back off. You have the strength. You just need to get your your range of motion flexibility back, because you haven't worked on that for 30 years, because you've been sitting at a desk or on a plane. So that would be the biggest thing is understand shoulder flexibility, thoracic mobility and hip flexibility. Hip mobility, you open up those three body parts your game of you'll be you'll have a lot more fun playing, and you'll have less aches and pains.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 38:22

So Golf is a very ballistic sport. People don't think of it. They think of as, like you said last and you're talking about ballistics. So other than like a Happy Gilmore warm up, where they just smack each other around, what would be a great way to wake up the body before the First Tee?

Unknown: 38:39

So yeah, again, depends what love you're talking about. I think with the amateur, just go through those stretches. I would say, maybe some glue bridges. I would say any type of like band work, like you put a band around your ankles, do some side step band work. It depends what I have access to, right? Do you have a cable system? Do you not have a cable system? Most golf courses have that stuff you can do as like a split stance cable rows. Split stance cable push, payoff, press. There's a bunch of things you can do to get the body activated and going get to the pro level, a different world, right? So Scotty has a routine where it's a lot of ground based stuff, range of motion, flexibility, mobility. Then we have activation stuff. And then we'll do some med ball throws. We'll do some what we call like contrast, a contrast lift. So we might do a trap bar, little bit of a like a heavy lift, drop the trap bar. Do a jump, little plyo, just to kind of get the nervous system firing, if that makes sense. We also put into play a, it's called, it's from, it's a golf wherever company. We incorporate what's called a swing trainer. You guys know it as a TRX band. So we'll, we'll do a lot of like band work, speed work with the TRX. Fan. They're it's that. It's called the swing trainer itself. So whether it's rotation, speed, anti rotation stuff, yeah, just a lot of thing, a lot of it depends where we are, because we don't have access to some great gym sometimes. Now in the golf world, more golf courses are carpeting gyms on site. If, worst case scenario, we have to use the PGA Tour trailer, which is okay, but the problem is, you might have 10 guys, and they're trying to warm up, and they're all on top of each other. So I just say the routine would be ground based. Stretches. Get some flexibility going, open up the joints, little mobility work, getting some activation stuff, and then a little bit of dynamic warm up, whatever you want to, whatever you think's best for you, whatever works for you.

Dr. Terry Weyman: 40:46

So what about the amateur guy from the time he pulls into the parking lot to the first tee that doesn't have access to gyms or stuff like that? What would be like when, like, doing a couple sprints up and down the parking lot, couple jumping jacks, split squats? Or, you know what? What would you do to get yourself ready for that first tee?

Unknown: 41:03

Yeah, again. Hip flexor stretch, T spine, open books, prayer stretch, 9090, hip stretch. I would do maybe like walking lunges, because let's say you're in the locker room, not much room. You have a gym, walking lunges, Side lunges, maybe do a couple, push ups, anything, because you have to understand what the amateur you're probably starting at a pretty low fitness level. So the last thing you want to do is get hurt while you're trying to do a warm up, which we've seen a lot in lately, or somebody else see somebody, see something on social media, and try it, and then they're, you know, they're bent over, walk into the clinic. So I want to be really careful when I say that, because it's going to you guys are really slow, really basic and really simple, because they're starting, you know, there's most of these people are starting from scratch. So,

Dr. Terry Weyman: 41:51

you know, in in cycling, when my son would be ready to race, we wanted him sweating before he even showed up at the at the start line, to have that same kind of philosophy, or golf you are. A lot of these guys just pull up, they go to the bar, and then there's what they hear their their name called, and they walk up the first D, and they take three practice rings and they go, do you want them to be kind of that same mentality? They want to be sweating or really warmed up before they hit that first shot,

Unknown: 42:16

for sure? Yeah. And so I would say, like with Scotty, uh, total warm up from from table, work to gym, work to range. Work is about two hours, yeah, yeah. Jordan's the same thing. Jordan's probably two hours 15. JT is a little younger or a little shorter. Hour 40, yeah, yeah. These guys like so, for example, I'll give you a typical day for me. So if my guys tee off, let's say tomorrow at seven the morning. I'm up at 445 and I'm seeing that around 5am 515 to start warm up. That's my that's my day, right? So wait,

Dr. Terry Weyman: 42:52

how do you warm up if you have the four guys and they're all going off the front, how do you warm up four guys at once? Well,

Unknown: 42:59

yeah, good point. It happens. We have to bounce that out. So if we have two guys on this with the same tea time, they're they're very respectful of each other, one guy might start a warm up on himself while I'm doing the table work with a guy. And then he gets off, and then the guy gets in Table work, and he starts warm up. And then we kind of will do it together sort of thing. Yeah, everybody, everybody has a different start time for the most part. So I have to kind of put them in increment times. Obviously, at five in the morning, I got four guys rolling at the same time, you better be on your game, right? They expect you to be on your game. Yeah? So that that happens Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, by Sunday. I'm exhausted, but yeah, it's, it's, not bad. They understand, even though they want to be selfish and don't want other guys to warm up with me, they understand that it is what it is. They understand the situation. So they're pretty good that way.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 43:53

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Dr. Terry Weyman: 44:08

All right, I have a quick question before Spencer jumps in, what country has the best coffee? Because you, if you're getting up at four o'clock, inward, you need coffee, baby. So Brazil,

Unknown: 44:24

unbelievable. Brazilian coffee. Like when I was over there for the Olympics in Rio. Oh my gosh, it was, and you're right, coffee is, it is definitely a staple in my morning. Spencer's

Dr. Terry Weyman: 44:42

an early riser. I am not. I would be, yeah, I have to have the ivy of coffee in me.

Unknown: 44:47

Terry, I'll tell you funny story. So I'm not the only one there at five in the morning. There's a bunch of trainers and Cairo's in there, right? You might have 15 guys in there at five in the morning getting warmed up. We actually, we actually bought our own barista machine, so we. Travel. We travel with it, and we put it in the locker room, and that thing goes on all flipping day we'll go through, we'll go through two bags of beans a day. And even like, like, people love people. Knows about the Australians, they love their coffee like they are coffee connoisseurs, the beans where it's from. How do you Yeah, those are training from Australia. He'll make, he makes the best lattes with a little lavender flower on the top when he's done with it, like he's our, he's our go to guy if you want a nice, cute Lavender at 430 in the morning.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 45:36

Oh my gosh, that should have, that should have been one of our rapid fire questions, too, right?

Unknown: 45:40

Yeah. Let

Dr. Spencer Baron: 45:43

me, let me get back on track with, you know, chiropractic care. People understand, you know, the cracking, the popping, the snapping of bone and all that, whatever they want to call it. But I know you do also a lot of soft tissue work. But how would you explain to a athlete the value now they get soft tissue. They understand the soft tissue work for the most part. But how would you explain to an athlete this, this thing called an adjustment, like, what in your dialog justifies doing that?

Unknown: 46:13

I do it a couple different ways, and I I've, I've, I've been more successful of athletes buying in when I say I'm restoring joint function. Okay, that's probably the best way to understand it, because they understand function or reduce asymmetry, or put you back in balance, or restore misalignment, when you start getting into, like, the the subluxation side of it, it you've lost them, like they've done, even with even with my patients in the clinic. So, yeah, right, I look at myself more of a, I guess, the old school chiropractor. I hate being more of a functional doctor. I mean, I'm going to restore soft tissue function, I'm going to restore movement function, I'm going to restore joint function. And when you function better as a human being, you're going to feel better, you're going to move better, and you're going to enjoy life better. And that's kind of been my you my go to I'd say, I would say, when I talk to people and they get it like i Our clinic takes care of a ton of medical doctors. Most of them come in because of the clients we take care of, but also because they love playing golf and so but the cool thing is, is it allows me to provide an education platform, to teach the medical profession. If I start to talk about subluxation oof, they're off, they're gone. I make listen. You're having back pain because you don't have normal joint function. Let me restore that. Get your range of motion back. You have some soft tissue dysfunction I gotta take care of. Let me get that moving better. Increase your range of motion, increase your flexibility, and you'll be off. They get that. They understand that. And I'll, I'll tell you something funny with this. Most medical doctors don't want me to tell their colleagues that I'm giving chiropractic care. It's great, like ER doctors, cardiovascular surgeons, thoracic plastic plastic surgeons, you name it. We got them and a lot of gone to school together. Hey, yeah, when so and so comes in, don't, don't tell them in here. I'm like, Oh my gosh, guys, come on. Like, this is not 1970 anymore.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 48:15

Do you talk scar tissue build up, you know, things like that? Because, you know, restoring Biomechanics is like one stage of the explanation. But right before that, do you explain that

Unknown: 48:26

huge and I think that's probably one of the most common missed treatments in our profession. I really do, and that's kind of how I got started. So you guys that you know, I used to play professional hockey. I went overseas to play in Europe, and everybody got soft tissue before and after games. And our North American thought process was, why these guys are getting soft tissue? Are they hurt like? Because we thought you only get tissue work if you're hurting or in pain. Like, No man, I'm preventing the pain. I'm preventing getting hurt. I'm increasing my range of motion. I could play better. I feel better, I move better. And I was like, oh, okay, so I jumped in. I bought in it. I was like, Oh my gosh. I woke up the morning. I can put my socks on. I don't have back pain anymore. So that has stayed with me for all these years. When I got into chiropractic, I put that into play when I in my clinic with my athletes. It's so critical, if you can change the soft tissue dysfunction, ie scar tissue, and improve their biomechanics, you're golden to them, yeah, whether it's a chronic hamstring, whether it's a chronic low back, whether it's a chronic Apple tendonitis, show you know bicep tendonitis, you if you're good at your manotherapy, soft tissue, you are golden with these guys, and that's what they're looking for. And Spence, you've heard me say this many, many years ago, the manipulation is very critical, very important, to help millions of people. But if you have a joint dysfunction, you're going to have some sort of soft tissue dysfunction along with it. It just it is what it is. That's my personal opinion. I'll just let. Chiropractor probably disagree with me, but if I can restore joint function, range of motion, and improve the soft tissue, I'll give you a perfect example. I have a sprinter. We're talking Olympics right now. He came third in Rio. That's how fast he was, fourth in Rio last year, he was a 60, fastest 60 meter indoor. He came to me two years post Achilles tendon rupture, okay? He couldn't he couldn't run. Every time he picked up speed, he felt strained in the Achilles tendon. He came to me through a referral. Mind boggling how he got medically mismanaged. But it is what it is. I number one, pelvic rotation was out of whack, which we know is going to change the mechanics of the foot when it hits the ground. We had a restorative pelt mechanics. You had no hip stability, zero. Dorsiflexion, zero. Sub tailor version zero. Great toe extension, none, zero. I said, you live on your toes on the track. I said, if you can't move your foot, you can't move your ankle, you can't move your toe. Where's the stress gonna go? I said, every time you strike the ground, there's a you can offer a force off the ground going up into your body, and if your foot can absorb that force, it's gotta go somewhere. Wow. Yeah, I've been having some plantar fasciitis, and yeah, my my Achilles. It just stresses my Achilles. I said, Yeah, of course it does. So we worked our asses off, like this went on for three months last year, fastest indoor, 60 meter spreader. Love it. He was, he was blown away. Now 100% I'm gonna give her the scar tissue. I mean that Achilles was just a thick like there was not much pliability left, but, and you're not, you're not gonna get real all that. You know that, right? I said, the better I can get you to function better in your foot mechanics, in your hip mechanics, there's less stress on the Achilles, and you'll be able to run again. He goes, I'm in. Yeah. So that's the cool shit that we can do. Right? When you start understanding the mechanics of the human body, what's normal, what's abnormal, and you test it, and you treat it, and you retest it, and they see the results right there on the table, like, I'm in, I'm in. So

Dr. Spencer Baron: 52:12

Troy, I want to, I want to elaborate on something that is that would really deliver a message one of one of our previous guests, and one of my best friends, Dr Michael begnell, would always he's a functional neurology guy, and he talks about measure, measure, measure. And I noticed you do that, but I would like you to elaborate on that, because I think that is the message. Now our athletes, they measure, you know speed and time. You know, weight, you know, they have their own way. That's why we love working with athletes that when they're in the office. Yep. And you work, do something, you test them beforehand, and then you do your work, and then you show that. So tell us what that looks like. Yeah.

Unknown: 52:55

So I've kind of come up with a, what I call it, a quick functional scan. And I do those in my athletes. I just my patients the office too, because they I look at it as if I test you. So let me start the beginning. Number one thing I do is it's a standing weight bearing posture check. Okay, standing. Stand there. Just stand and relax. Show me what. Because now your body's being challenged by weight bearing is being challenged by gravity, which, and I'm a big pelvis guy. I did a lot of work with Dan path, track and field many years, and he's a big foot guy, so, but they work together, right? So I start with the pelvis. Do you have a rotated pelvis in a transverse plane? In the sagittal plane, heavy pelvis, bilateral pelvis, one or the other? Something's going on. So what? Right there. And there I look at the pelvis, as I would say, like, like a white circus tent. So when that white circus tent standing erect, and all the guide wires are holding in and there's tension equal in every guide wire, I love it, all of a sudden, Augusta wind happens, and that circus tank goes woof, and those guide wires are holding on for life, holding on for life. There's something going on there, right? So again, I'm the pit crew chief. I'm looking at that engine. So let's say I have a left forward pelvis in the in a weight bearing position. Well, right away, I'm thinking glute iliacus. So as, uh, obliques, those are my four hits. I go after I because I know that if I have a crown hamstring and this Val his pelvis is four anteriorly, I know that attachment on that hamstring, if you should, tuberosity, is pulling hard on that handy until I restore that alignment, that poor hand is getting pulled on right. So that's the first thing to do. Get him on the table. Sorry, sit them down. I go through thoracic rotation. Are we eco? Are we bilateral? Thoracic rotation, quick. Are we good shoulder flexion? That's kind of a quick scan. Get them on the table. Look at their hip, internal range of motion, external range of motion, bilateral. Are we bilateral? Are we asymmetrical? Then I go through a quick would I go. Through a quick manual muscle test, I'll go iliacus, psoas glute, me TfL, lat because I'm looking at muscle slings, or I'm looking at like a posterior bleak system or the anterior oblique system. So if my right glute is not firing, I'm pretty certain my left lats not firing. So it's not just a specific muscle that's inhibited, so it's the muscle group itself. So if my pelvis, let's say it's rotated forward on the left nine times out of a 10. The iliacus, the so is going to test week. The right lats going to test week. My left oblique is going to test week. So there's something going on that engine. I gotta fix it. Um, that's where your manual therapy, skills come into play. So as you guys know, I'm a big art guy. I taught it for about 10 years. When you get into the manual therapy, one of the things you restore, obviously, we store flexibility, increase range of motion, blood flow, but you also stimulate muscle spindle cells, right? Because they respond to stretch. So if I can take somebody and open them up through using the AR T, and I stimulate that muscle spindle cell. Now it's firing right. So a lot of times when I just do the hands on manual therapy, I can restore the pelvis alignment without doing the manipulation. So that's how it's a muscle dysfunction, not a joint dysfunction, where a lot of people will go in and adjust the pelvis, and we hear this whole time, and this whole time, and this is our stigma against us. Well, every time we adjust the pelvis, my alignment goes back out again. Well, maybe it's not a joint issue. Maybe it's some muscle shifts controlling that pelvis that has a problem. So you got to look at both. So the way I do is I treat, treat, treat. If it needs to be manipulated, I'm gonna do manipulation. Then I go in and I'll look at the range of motion again, and then I'll do the muscle testing. And if there's tested strong and all those muscles are tested weak, I'm on the right path. I'm I'm doing the right thing, because I look at the human body as a computer, and if I put in the proper input, it's going to show me the proper output. If everything tests weak, again, I'm missing something, but I'm but I'm testing myself. This is how I test myself, and that and that gets me away from the pain side of it, more into the functional side of it, because I can help you function better. Now, once I restore the misalignment, get the muscles firing, open up the range of motions, my treatment, go through, my retest, everything's great, perfect. Then I go reinforce that in the gym with corrective exercises, right? So hip flexor stretch, bird dog, like, just basic stuff, dead bugs. Now, remember, if it's a one sided asymmetry, i, and this is where a lot of people have do mistakes, is if I do the same weights and reps and sets on both sides, but I'm weak on the left side. Do you think my weeks, my weak side is going to catch up to my non weak side? No chance. Because if my left is here, my right is here, and I do the both same waist reps on both sides, that asymmetry gap is not going to close. It's going to stay there. And sometimes it actually gets worse. The gap gets greater. And we know, the greater the asymmetry in the human body, the more predisposed to pain in their injury. So I'll do with adjustments in the soft tissue to close that gap, and then I'll do what's called ratio rehab, where I'm going to do three sets on the left and two sets on the right. And eventually what happens is my left side catches up to my right side, and now I'm balanced. I'm symmetrical, and now my pelvis is not going to go, always go, because I've just taken that tent right now, the guide wires are now not under stress, the hamstrings not being torqued on. Especially you know this in the Football League, hamstrings are an epidemic. And you know this, and I know this, I've been in the locker room, and what I do with people with bad hamstrings, they strengthen the hamstring. That's not what happens. Because if you look at the human body and function, if I look at hip extension, the primary hip extensor, especially for a speed guy or running back, is the glute max, right? That's, we know that glute max is the primary hip excensor. If my glute max is not firing, and I can do that through the muscle testing. The secondary hip extensor becomes the hannies. The tertiary hip extensor becomes the doctor longus. Welcome to the hockey world. It's the same cause. It doesn't matter where the cause the pain or symptoms are so we have have so many football guys that come in with chronic hammies, and they strengthen the hand strength. I said, Why would you strengthen the hammy that's already overworking? Because the muscle recruitment pattern is not right in hip extension. Get the glute back to fire, take the stress off the hamstring and take the stress off the groin. And literally, I'm telling you, this is worse. And I tell people, they're like, how you're crazy. Like, okay, whatever. But when you start understanding that, and then I restore the pelvic alignment, the hamstring is now being not attached so much because the glutes firing, the pelvis is now aligned, and it's not being torqued at the ischial tuberosity at the origin the he's like, oh. Thank God now I can just, I can do my job and not overwork. And that goes back to the engine. Yeah, right. So once you start understanding that, and that's, and you guys know this, this, this is what chiropractic should be, right? This is what, this is what we do. We are We? Are. We do things with our hands. I get that. I get the manipulation side of it. I love it. But when you when you understand what I've just been telling you guys for last 50 minutes, you up your game, and you have athletes coming from all over the world to come see you, which we do. And so that's Terry at the beginning. That's why it's hard for me to get on on this podcast, because it's my phone is non stop it. And I've, I've had to learn, and I hate doing this, obviously, to say, to say the word no, I just finished working with an NBA player. He's at $185 million contract. He hasn't been able to play. He didn't play two years ago because of his knee pain. This is how bad this is how bad this is medical mismanagement. Back to the knee issue. They did two MRIs, two scopes, five PRPs in his knee, the scan. He's got some wear and tear in his knees, nothing major. He's an NBA player, so left knee, left pelvis rotated, creating valgus stress on the left knee, zero, or, I should say, zero. He had pretty good dorsiflexion, no sub calibration, no pronation. So here we go again. Newton's third law of motion. When I straight the ground as a basketball player, economist, force comes back, and if my foot can't absorb it into pronation, or my hip can't accommodate the force coming from the rectus horse in the ground. Where's the horse going to go the knee? Guys, full time, PT, full time strength coach, full time massage therapist. They all came about. He flew them all into my office. I picked up in 10 minutes. He played a whole season last year. It's crazy. It's it's crazy. This is $180 million player. He wanted to hire me last year for a million dollars a year. Oh yes, I just saved his career. He's gonna make another 60 to$80 million Oh, that's beautiful. That's, that is what we should be doing. That is what Chiropractors should be doing. Yeah, and I, and I talked to the President of Parker College, a lot of like, we have to up our game. Yeah, we're going to get lost in the dust. And it's, it is very, it's very what I just told you guys. You guys get it. It's, this is very simple. It's not It's not magic. This is what the human body does. This is what lifestyle, you know, what your whatever your sport is, that's what creates the asymmetry, that's what creates the imbalances, that's what creates that changes the muscle recruitment patterns in your human body. Yeah, just, it's just, I can tell you one after another, it's and you know what? It makes it exciting. I love what I do, like I wake up in the morning. I love what I do. I can't wait to get to the gym. I can't wait to clean it. I can't wait to get the locker room. And that's what you I try to now. I have two cars that work in my office, teaching those guys, right? So at some point we're getting old, we we ought to retire. Uh, my wife's like, you're never gonna retire. But so yeah, that's yeah, you guys know this. I get so passionate about this and so excited and energized about it, but energized about it, but that's what I just I'm such a firm believer that's, this is what he's and again, it's not for everybody. Don't Don't get me wrong. It's not for all chiropractors. There's great chiropractors that do pediatrics, great chiropractors that do take care of older people, family chiropractors. There's so many different, obviously different. Chiropractors or perfection. If you want to be a sports chiropractor, if you want to be the best, you need to start understanding what I just talked about last 50 minutes.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:04:10

Yes, definitely. You know what I actually want to remark on. I love your circus tent metaphor. I think that is perfect. We all, we all have something like, we use for automobiles. But I like that. I really like, I use, I talk about puppets, you know, but, yeah, I like the circus tent. Thanks for I love the passion, man,

Unknown: 1:04:32

yeah, it's, and that's how it, you know, we all go with this, like, how do we, how do we get that person understand that and to buy into it, especially the athlete, right? And we start showing that that vision, they're like, oh, so my pelvis is rotated. It's pulling on my Hammy. No matter what I do, it's going to consider pulling my hammy till I get my pelvis back to alignment. Yes, yes, very Yes. So

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:04:56

Troy, we could probably go on for another hour, but we're wrapping. Up because I want to share the rapid fire questions, which is our last little fun set of five questions that I want to ask you. Some of them have to do with what you talked about, and some have nothing to do with what you talked about, but you're okay, quick on your feet, so you're ready for question number one. I think so. All right, with Florence balls being popular, what is your favorite color? Yellow, orange or pink?

Unknown: 1:05:28

Orange?

Dr. Terry Weyman: 1:05:32

Well, I know, I know a lot of people don't use fluorescent balls in your world. It's all about white. But you know what for us amateurs, that we have to see where our ball went into thick grass. Bar to the left. We need all the help we can get.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:05:50

Question number two of all the courses you have ever visited, which one is your favorite and why?

Unknown: 1:05:58

I'll say two. I'll say Pebble Beach for the natural beauty of it, and then I'll say Augusta, because of tradition and behind that golf tournament, that golf course. Nice. All right, yeah, yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:06:13

Good Question number three, what would you like to be remembered for?

Unknown: 1:06:21

Be a good guy. That's nice. I be good guy. Yeah, I think lot of we're so type A, we're so go, go. Sometimes we forget about, I think as we got older, I you start reflecting more, and we were so we're so enamored by our career, and you just ready to forget about how you react to other people. And so that's been my been my kind of, my motto for the last few years, you've

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:06:49

always been a good guy for all the years I've known you. Thanks. Question number four, if you could give one tip for an amateur golfer, what would it be? Stretch

Unknown: 1:07:00

good, before or after both. Oh, really,

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:07:05

all right, yes, you all heard that, right? Okay. Question number five, yeah, and last question, Favorite movie of all time?

Unknown: 1:07:16

Oh, gosh, I uh, if I said slap shot, would that be funny?

Dr. Terry Weyman: 1:07:29

Very happy, no more,

Unknown: 1:07:35

I would say Rudy. Actually, I love Rudy. I love rooting for the little guy. I love it, yeah, just the challenge and the fight and to make it that's cool.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:07:50

That's great. That is fantastic. Troy, it has been an absolute remarkable pleasure. You have provided so many cool little tidbits there that I was sending out text messages to some of my staff and other doctors, going, you're gonna love this. Thank you.

Unknown: 1:08:11

I appreciate it. Thanks for the time, guys, and

Dr. Terry Weyman: 1:08:13

thank you so much for I know you're busy, but I really appreciate you fitting this in and all that kind of stuff that's been fantastic. And every time that I watch Netflix, I think of you and and, and I just appreciate your friendship over the years, and you're just a great guy, and you're great inspiration for all the other cars out there. So keep doing what you're doing, man, you're doing a great job. Yeah, right. I

Unknown: 1:08:34

appreciate it. Thanks guys. Thanks

Dr. Terry Weyman: 1:08:36

all right, man.

Dr. Spencer Baron: 1:08:40

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