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5 tips to make your home healthier to live in NOW. Dr. Brandon Lundell

• Dr. Terry Weyman and Dr. Spencer Baron

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Join us for an insightful episode of Crackin' Backs as we welcome back functional medicine expert, Dr. Brandon Lundell.

 

Last time, Dr. Lundell mentioned the concept of a "healthy home," but what does that really mean? We’ve all heard about 'smart homes' packed with technology, but Dr. Lundell will explain how a 'healthy home' focuses on wellness, promoting long-term health for you and your family. From improving air quality to choosing safer building materials, Dr. Lundell will break down his top 5 practical tips for transforming your living space into a sanctuary of health and well-being.

 

Don’t miss out on this essential conversation with a leader in integrative medicine who has spent over 15 years teaching and treating patients through a truly holistic approach. Learn how simple changes can lead to a healthier, more harmonious home environment!

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Dr. Spencer Baron:

Today's episode of the crack and backs podcast. We're joined by functional medicine expert Dr Brandon Lindell. We all know what a smart house is, but what about a healthy house? Dr Lindell reveals how to turn a home into a wellness sanctuary, from improving air quality to choosing the right building materials. He's sharing his top five tips you can start using today to create a healthier living space. Don't miss this essential guide for every homeowner. Tune in.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

All right. We're excited to have Dr Lindell back on, because he left us with something on the last show, and that is, he just blurred it out in one of his many rants that he built a healthy home at I've never heard that term healthy home. We've heard smart home. You've heard, you know, have a happy home, a loving home, but we've never heard of having a healthy home. Well, anyway, we'll get into that. Welcome back in the show. We're so happy to see you. Colorado looks great, so we're happy to have you back on buddy. Hey, thanks

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

for thanks for having me. It's always a lot of fun.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

So alright, let's start off. Since we mentioned it, we've heard of the term smart home. Like I said, Happy Home, loving home. What is a healthy home, and what are the main things to separate these terms, yeah,

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

you know, a lot of people don't know that their their homes, are the, the greatest source of toxins, right? You know, we these toxins that we can't see, touch, smell, taste here. You know, we were not alerted to them, but they're everywhere, right? And the, the EPA has done lots of studies on indoor air quality, and indoor air quality is sometimes five to 10s, on average, five to 10 times more toxic than outdoor air, and this is even in urban settings, right? So it's not just, you know, somebody who's in a downtown area, but it's, it's everywhere, and it's because of these building materials and and and furniture and things that we put in our house. So, so the first and foremost is just to kind of be aware that, you know, our homes are a huge source of toxins and and endocrine disruptors. They disrupt our endocrine system, right, hormones. So you can't have a healthy home, happy home, or a smart home, right? If you've got all those toxins running around. You know, they affect our brains. And you know, they're, they're related to Alzheimer's and all kinds of stuff. So, so they're, you know, a healthy home is, is a home that actually goes through and looks at these building materials and uses building materials and alternatives that truly are healthy. And the other distinction that I like to make is there's a difference between a healthy home and a green home, right? So a lot of people think green homes are, are healthy for you, but not necessarily so. Green homes are homes that are use materials that have been recycled, right? That are, you know, less carbon emissions that are healthier for the planet, but they're not necessarily healthier for you. A classic example is, you know, like decking that's made out of recycled rubber and plastic and tires. Well, man, that stuff breaks down over time. It is so toxic you walk on it, you eat on it, you know. And that's those plastics, microplastics, those phthalates, those, you know, PCBs, they're getting into your system. And these are called Forever chemicals. Do you know why they're called Forever chemicals?

Dr. Terry Weyman:

You guys take forever to break down. Yeah, they

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

that. Once they get in your system, they're, they're almost, you know, unless you go after them and specifically detox, they're pretty much in your system forever, and then they get stored in our brain tissues and in our organs, and over time, they just do a lot of damage. And you know, as I said before, related to cancers and related to fertility issues and related to brain and cognitive function, and even obesity and weight gain and all that stuff. So, you know, I've been doing, as I said last time, I've been doing functional medicine 20 years. And you know, the more I do this, and the more I work with patients, the more and the more I study because they teach functional medicine too. It's it really, this is such a big piece right for our patients and and for our family, for our loved ones, to to pay attention to this, to really pay attention to this. So I'm sure, I'm sure you have questions about what's, what's the most toxic stuff? You know? Yeah, yeah, actually,

Dr. Spencer Baron:

you know, it's interesting. I mean, I don't know if you guys had this problem in your areas, but we had it was very unsuspecting, but Chinese drywall was used. And did that happen across the United States? Or was that, I mean, inundated with words from people in Florida. You

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

know, I don't know about drywall up here, because we usually get, we're in Colorado, so we usually get stuff from, you know, from the Pacific and but, but what I remember about that is, about 10 years ago, there's a place called Lumber Liquidators, you know, it's like a it's like a cheap Home Depot for flooring, and they are repeatedly finding stuff shipped in from China, the hardwood floors and stuff like that, that is 1000s of times above the EPA safe levels for formaldehyde, Right? 1000s of times, not just 1000s of percent, but 1000s of times higher. And, you know, so it's coming from from all over the world. Stuff that's produced here is certainly a little bit better, but it's, it's kind of the end user applications that are really the most harmful. So, so what we're doing with them in the homes, what contractors and subcontractors, you know, and workers are actually doing with it that that makes it even more dangerous. But, you know, the thing about EPA regulations, it's interesting that you bring this up too, because there's when you walk through Home Depot and you go through the paint aisle, and painting paints is a really big source of toxins, right? It really is, and they continue to out gas for years and years and years. Well, you go through the paint aisle and everything says low VOC or no VOC, right? Vocs or volatile organic compounds. You know, it is such a big issue that that people are alerted to that. However, there's only about 12 regulated VOCs, okay, and there are hundreds that are used in an average can of pain paint. So all that paint company has to do is remove those 12 to say that there are no VOCs, and they can have 100 others in there, or dozens of others. And it's not regulated. The FDA says, Yeah, we don't have enough information on that, so it's safe. And this, this is something that's really important too about chemicals that a lot of people don't realize, whether it is building materials or cosmetics or anything chemical in this in this country. Do you know how, how safety is regulated. So how does a drug get to a market? How does a drug get to a market? Trials? And has to be tested, right? They have to, like, prove at least some level right of safety, which doesn't always work right, but it's the onus is on the drug manufacturer to prove some level of safety. Well, with chemicals, the exact opposite exists. It's the consumer has to prove that it's toxic in order to get it off the market. So this is this goes back to Carnegie and Rockefeller when they started producing all these chemicals that have never been done before. I mean, they the chemist. That's when the chemical age really came alive. Was as they started to to work with petroleum, right? And they found oil, and they found petroleum, and they started to come up with cars and make gas, and they had all of these toxic byproducts that that said, hey, they they paid chemists a lot of money to say, come up with something useful for this so that we can sell it. And so that's how petroleum jelly came, came, came out, and that's how medications and other chemical cleaners and stuff like that started to come out and and so they, they, you know, they were really good. And I watched a PBS program about this, they were really good at the time of making laws favorable to them, right? I mean, right. They were, they were billionaires. They were the modern day billionaires. So they came up with laws that still exist today that protect the the the industry, that protects the companies from any liability and from having to prove safety. In fact, they don't even have. Have to disclose the ingredients because it's proprietary, right? It's proprietary. So the EPA, the FDA, the USDA, allows them to put chemicals into consumer products that they do not even have to list. And you know, who got busted for that, though, recently, round up, right? So, round up. And I know you know this is, this is a chemical talk, a toxicity talk, but this is part of what is really sick around homes, is what we do around our homes, you know, and spraying Roundup. But roundup got in trouble for this because, you know the active ingredient that they list. They do have to list the active ingredient. You know what the active ingredient in Roundup is? Do you know what it's called? It's it's called glyphosate, right? A lot of people have heard of that because Monsanto, which is now Bayer, got sued because of glyphosate, and glyphosate is everywhere, and it is very toxic. Well, there's studies that have been done where they looked at Roundup. They took roundup and they looked at the chemical constituents, the inert ingredients, which they don't have to list, were hundreds of times more toxic than the glyphosate itself, right? And the reason why they did that is because the way the laws are is you only have to justify some level of safety for the inert ingredients, or you can have plausible deniability, but the inert ingredients are safe. You don't, you don't have to disclose what they are. You don't have to do an MSDS safety sheet on it, or anything like that. And and they knew this, and they knew that they were more toxic, and so they did get, get busted for that. But that's, that's the industry we live in, that's the world we live in, and that's the country we live in where we protect the interests of companies above health at all costs. And so my guess is, like with the drywall thing Byron, is that drywall is made with a lot of formaldehyde and a lot of chemical binders. And so it was probably outgassing a ton and, and, yes, drywall is a very big source. Even, even normal drywall has a lot of frivol to hide in it, so and a lot of flame retardants in it, right? Because they don't want houses to just burn, you know, go up in flames immediately. So they put a ton of flame retardants. And then in Florida, or in Miami, where you are, in Southern California, where you are Terry, they do even here, they put a lot of mold and mildew, chemical resistant chemicals in there as well. And all of that stuff is outgassing. And there we are. I mean, that's, that's one big source of chemicals in our in our homes.

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Dr. Brandon Lundell:

Well, the first, the first thing that I always recommend to my patients, and what I have done for many, many years, is to get a really good, high quality air purifier. You know, if you can't afford to rip your home down to the studs and remodel it, then an air purifier is really your best bang for your buck. And the air purifier that I recommend, there's lots of them. Out there. But it needs, it can't just be a filter, right? Although filters are important, it should really have, like, a carbon, you know, some kind of carbon and zeolite, as well as a really, you know, high rating filter, for sure, because a lot of chemicals hit your ride on dust, and then we breathe in the dust. So keeping your home clean, and keeping those dust vehicles, if you will, that that chemicals can latch on to and then get into our body, keeping the dust down, keeping your home clean, not using clean, you know, not using really bad chemical cleaners. Don't use, you know, the things that that you know, don't use Windex and don't, you know, don't use the traditional stuff. So, so the there's air purifier, the one that I like, it's, it's called Health ways. It's called Health ways, you can go online and and their Deluxe filter is actually really good. And, you know, just make sure it's got the carbon at the bottom, it's got a carbon and zeolite. And the reason why carbon and zeolite work, people take it internally because they're good binders, while they also work in the air too. They bind chemicals and take it out of the air. So, so that's a really good source. So, you know, something that you can do in in terms of paint, really good if you're gonna paint out, paint a room, right? The average American, you know, repaints their inside every five to 10 years or so. So likely, a lot of your viewers are going to be in the middle of a painting project. So the best source for for Healthy Home Products is a website called the the green design center, the green design center, and yes, they use the word green, which, which doesn't necessarily mean healthy, but, but yes, all of their products are healthy. They vetted them, and it's been around a long time back when green used to mean more healthy, but now green products aren't necessarily healthy. So, so there's paints that are clay based or milk based milk pigments. And that truly, there's a company called AFM safe coat and, and the green design center sells that, and you can get it shipped directly to your house for wholesale prices. It's great, you know, you can cut out the middleman and and you can get it shipped directly to you. So, so it's a great and they're really good customer service. You know, they'll answer all your questions, if you, you know, if you're new at this, you know, they'll, they'll tell you what you need, what products you need, and so, so, yeah, that's a really good source. But I wouldn't trust anything in Home Depot or Lowe's or, you know, I just wouldn't, you know, they're, they're cheap paints. Well, paint isn't cheap, as you know now, but, but it's, uh, it's full of chemicals. And you you don't want to be around that. You don't want you and your family to be around that, especially kids, you know, babies, pregnant moms, like they're breathing all that stuff in and as we talked about, you know, at the last podcast. My, you know, my specialty is fertility and preconception. So,

Dr. Terry Weyman:

Hey, Doc, if somebody were to have, let's say, have toxic paint. Yeah, can you paint over with the paint you're talking about, like, if you're painting your room, and when you block the the leeching, yeah,

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

it'll block, it'll block 90% of it, you know, you might, you know, would definitely do at least two coats, but the AFM safe coat does sell a ceiling primer, right? So a healthy ceiling primer. So if you do the ceiling, ceiling, not ceiling, but a ceiling primer, then, then, yes, most of that will, that will be, you know, sealed in and it'll still Outcast a little bit. I mean, chemicals have their way of of moving through barriers and stuff. That's what makes them so dangerous. But, yeah, that's a great way. You don't have to rip out the drywall. You don't have to scrape it. But, yeah, we used to think lead paint was, was the only toxic paint, but no, most of the paint that we exposed to, you know, it certainly isn't as bad as lead paint, but, but in many, in some cases, it could be worse. You know,

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Mickey, I'd like to mention two things. One, we could forget about ever having Home Depot as a sponsor for the Yeah,

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

at least apartment. Sorry, yeah. No, no, no, no, it's all right. I

Dr. Spencer Baron:

don't care,

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

but you did green designs with the other,

Dr. Spencer Baron:

yeah, the green. It's so that's two things. We got, paint and air purifiers. Give me three more things that we could do.

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

Yeah, I think you know, what do we do most of the time when we're in our houses, we breathe air right? 20,000 liters of air every day, and we drink a lot of water, right? Take showers, baths. We drink a lot of water. Make make coffee, tea, whatever it is. We boil our water. You know, we boil food. So, so really, having air water purifiers as well as air purifiers, and I don't know if you guys know this, I didn't know this five years ago, when I built my healthy home, I didn't know that all of water pipes are now plastic. All of water pipes they, they, they're they're phasing out copper. I mean, there's still applications where they use copper, but plastics cheap and it leeches, you know, and when you go online, if you do your own research, the number one complaint of of water pipes being plastic is the plastic taste, right? Consumers home, you know, home buyers are like, man, you know it's the only complaint I have is this plastic taste. And well, if you have plastic taste in the water. It means you have plastic in the water, right? Like you don't get some phantom taste. The taster is actually chemicals. Your taste buds are reacting to a chemical, the plastic chemical, the phthalates and the plasticizers. And because it's leaching, it leeches from day one, especially the hot water ones. I mean, can you imagine, like just boiling water from your from your hot water heater is is? It's just ripping chemicals and plastics off, so the micro plastics, right? And there was a study done by the Environmental Working Group, or, sorry, this is from the World Wildlife Foundation about five years ago. Four years ago, it was in conjunction with the University of Australia and or Auckland, sorry, New Zealand. And they they measured the amount of of micro plastics that an average person gets exposed to. And they estimated, Now, granted, this is somewhat controversial, but they estimated that the average person consumes about a credit card's worth of plastic every week, about five grams of plastic every week. That's what we're ingesting, and we're ingesting it from our home, from our water in our home. We're ingesting it. You know, some of the highest sources of micro plastics. Where do you think they found some of the it was interesting reading the study. Where do you think they found some of the highest sources of micro plastics? I mean, what's that?

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Your toothbrush? Toothbrush,

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

yeah? I mean, to some extent, absolutely no, no question, yeah, beer and wine, right? Do you know why beer and wine was? Because they're highly processed, and they're processed on on equipment that has a lot of plastic in there. You know, the barrels are sometimes lined with plastics and the pipes and the bottling mechanisms. And then, of course, cans of beer are lined with plastic inside, right? If you guys heard, you guys have heard of BPA, I've heard of BPA. Okay, that's a plastic that is starting to be phased out. It's banned in California, actually. Well, here's the problem with the VOC thing, similar to the VOC, these the these companies know how to get around stuff, so BPA might be banned, but you still have to use some kind of plasticizer, so they will substitute it with something called BPF, right, or bps. It's just, it's just another version of a bisphenol, which is what a BP stands for. And these are showing to be actually even more toxic, right? Because they're less, I

Dr. Terry Weyman:

think you didn't mention whiskey, because, you know, if you disappear and wine things, at least, it distills the plastic exactly while you're going, while you're going down that throw out some examples that people can buy, peer failures from a simple somebody who doesn't make a lot. They can start a process to, you know, the gold standard. Can you throw some companies out, yeah,

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

you know, there's a really simple water filter that you can buy, and you can, you can screw it onto your tap. It's, it's called New Wave Enviro, and they sell a tabletop filter that, you know is a. You know, it does have a plastic housing, but studies have shown it filters most of that out through the filter, and then it comes out in a metal faucet or a spigot. No, you know, you don't have to hire a plumber. You don't have to do anything. You just screw it into your into your faucet. And that's that's actually really helpful, because not only is the plastic, there's plastic in our water, but the chemicals of concern, we call them. They're called chemicals of concern in water, and it's the things in our water that our municipal water plant, one can't remove, and to put in. Right? Our Chemical water plants are, you know, city water plants, great at removing all of the viruses and bacteria that can kill us, right? And thank God for that. We have the cleanest water in the world for that. We have the most sterile water in the world, really, to be accurate, but we have some of the dirtiest water in the world when it comes to chemicals, because they can't be filtered out by traditional filtration methods. They can only be filtered out through reverse osmosis or through distillation. Distillation is way, way too energy consuming, and so is reverse osmosis. So, So picture this guys. We're up here in Colorado, and we get somewhat clean water, but even even acid rain has a lot of chemicals in it, right? So the snow that's falling now is not pure. I grew up in I grew up in golden and and what do we have in gold? We have Coors Brewery, right? That's the home of Coors Brewery. And remember those commercials like, you know, brewed with rocky mountain spring water, right? Well, you don't see that anymore, because it's not, it's not so clean anymore. It's certainly cleaner than the Arkansas River or the Mississippi River or the Colorado River when it gets to California. Sorry, Terry, it's been so polluted. It's the California but imagine this. We're here. We're here in Colorado. We get somewhat toxic, you know, but, but probably the cleanest in the country, because this is the source of headwaters, but then, so let's say Boulder, right? Live in Boulder. Live near boulder. All of us in Boulder, well, not me, but most people in Boulder, you know, they use these toxic chemicals, or their bodies are full of chemicals. They take medications and drugs. That's all being peed into the water, right? And then that that water just goes into the water filtration system, and we pee and poop it out, and you know, all kinds of stuff are going someone washes their car, right? They wash their car with really bad chemicals. Where does that chemical they spray their lawn with with glyphosate, right, with Roundup. Where does all that go? It goes all into the sewer system. It goes all then into the water filtration plant. That water filtration plant only has one job, to sterilize the water and to make it, you know, to remove the dissolved solids. All these chemicals pass through 100% you know, through commercial water filtration plants, and then that goes into the river. So they did a study where they looked at fish just outside of Boulder, right just outside. So clean, you think it's clean. They looked at fish there are so many endocrine disruptors just below the water filtration plant for boulder that the fish started to develop ambiguous genitalia, right? It messed up their hormones so bad. And it still is that, you know, the fish now, are kind of, you know, aphroditic, you might say, or, you know, they have, they have signs of both male and female genitalia. So imagine that repeated hundreds and hundreds of times. So by the time you get to, sorry, Miami, by the walk, by the time water gets to Miami, or by the time water gets to Southern California. I mean, at least LA has some of their own mountains and stuff, but, but, gosh, Houston, or those places where the Mississippi and those River, imagine how many chemicals are in there. So, so a water, any kind of water filtration that you can do is, is just really, really important.

Unknown:

So on an earlier

Dr. Spencer Baron:

show, we had Aaron Brockovich, and all I can imagine is if she got her hands on this monstrous project because of plastics being, yep, used as piping for everywhere, I mean, and so,

Dr. Terry Weyman:

so. So before we. Respond to that, Doc, I got a question before I develop a third testicle, what can I yeah,

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

you're going to develop an over

Dr. Terry Weyman:

before I develop an man boots before, before I develop a third nipple. What? What can I put that, that the wire from the municipality before it enters my house? Yes, because, you know, you can put something screw for your sink to the drink water, but I'm still showering, I'm still brushing my teeth. I'm still doing so how do we what's our bet? What company is our best solution for for stopping it from our house or our business?

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

Yeah, you know, there's a lot of them. The green design center does have good water filters, whole house water filters, and so, you know, but even like Culligan, I don't know if you guys have Culligan, right? It's a national, you know, water and they, you know, they have decent whole house systems. And, you know, good whole house systems with reverse osmosis, which is the gold standard of removing things, a good whole house water system, and then a reverse osmosis for drinking water and cooking water. It'll run you anywhere from five to 10,000 depending on some of the features that you you choose to have. But at the very least you can do a carbon filter, a whole house carbon filter that usually will run you, you know, a couple $1,000 I just actually, that's funny. I just got this that's just in the mail yesterday, a must, a must for a healthy home. And it's, it's a company called Aquasana, which, I have no idea who they are, but you can get a whole house that, you know, 50% off. Whole House filters for 9999 and regularly, 2000 and it's 99 999 bucks. So I don't know the quality, but I'm just saying it's interesting. You know, it's starting to become more aware, it's starting to become more known, and, and you're right to do a whole house filter, and, and, you know, if you if you have an older home, if you have a home that's built before the early 2000s I think around 2008 and nine is when houses started to to new, how new home construction and remodel started to use plastic water piping so a lot of older homes are still safe. But, yeah,

Dr. Terry Weyman:

what about you mentioned? So, so if you have, like a condo that's all plastic. Well, you know, I could go the condo association. So that's you can put that stuff on your on your filters, in your sink. You mentioned something else earlier, and you mentioned clean products, because everybody cleans what's some like home remedies, because one time you mentioned some about citrus and water and, yeah, vinegar, what's, what's some clean products that people can clean your home, that they're not breathing in those toxic chemicals. Yeah,

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

you know, I mean, there are different levels, right? I would say the step up from, you know, your your Clorox, I mean, Johnson, and Johnson, they're, one of the biggest chemical producers, and they own a lot of cleaning companies. And so, you know, if it's from Johnson and Johnson or Dow Chemicals, right, I would get rid of it. Clorox bleach is owned by Dow Chemicals. I mean, you know, yeah, there's, there's just so many that are, that are toxic, that we don't even know. But the one step up is like seventh generation, still owned, I think, by Proctor and Gamble, which is another, you know, but seventh generation, you know, it's everywhere Whole Foods and Target and Walmart, you can get some seventh generation. Not great. It's still not 100% clean, but it's a step up. You know, it's a little bit better. There's still chemicals, surfactants and and some phthalates and stuff like that, but some of the big offenders certainly are removed with those products, and then you can get into making your own. And one of the things that I like to do is just get a pure white vinegar, you know, you get organic white vinegar so it doesn't have the chemical residues in there. And then you, you know, my kids love those little oranges, you know, what are they called the little the little ones, cuties or something, yeah, and you can get those, make sure they're organic. And you know, just say, have them save the peels. Or you save the peels. You put it in a mason jar, put the peels in the mason jar, let them dry out first, and then pour the vinegar in the mason jar and and let it sit for. About two weeks. And then then you have, you know, a really fresh, citrusy smelling, you know, citrus is a really good cleaner. The citric acid is a very good cleaner. And the acid that's in vinegar is a very good cleaner. And you can use that for everything. You can use that for your tubs and showers and and countertops and floors, and you just get a spray bottle. Of course, the spray bottle has some plastic, so you don't have to do that if you're purist, but, but you can just use that everywhere. And then, you know it also. Pure white vinegar is a good window cleaner as well. A lot of people don't know that. But then there, there, there are other companies that are a little bit better. There's a company called Bio clean, B, i, o, K, L, E, E, N, those are a little bit better. And this leads me to a really important point to one of the most toxic things that we do to our bodies is laundry detergent, you know. So thinking of seventh generation in these things, laundry detergent is so toxic, it really is right. Have you ever guys seen those commercials where, you know, they're like, oh my god, I your your clothes smell so good, you know, and they and they go off into this dream state of, you know, being on the beach. It's because their brains being destroyed by the chemicals, and they're hallucinating, is really what that commercial is saying. But it's true. Those, those, you know, downy and gain, they're so toxic, so so toxic. So get rid of your fresh smelling laundry detergent. I use a brand, and there are many out there. Bio clean is pretty good. There's another brand called Meliora. And, you know, it's just sodium carbonate and bicarbonate and really, you know, and then just essential oils with lavender. So no one's saying you have to walk around smelling like a monkey, you know. But you don't have to smell like, you know, some chemical perfume, you know, fragrance commercial. So, so that's a really, really important point too. Is to watch not just the cleaners, but but your own soaps and detergents and everything that you're putting on and near your body.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Here's a very stealth thing that goes on that a lot of people might not think about, and that is those of us who have dogs, which I know Dr Terry does, and I imagine you

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

do too, yep, I do.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

We get people that come in and spray for insects, yeah, for bugs and things like that, yeah. And I've asked, I go, you know, is that stuff safe? And of course, they're gonna Oh yeah. Actually, I'm more concerned about my dog because how sensitive they're exactly so I'll ask, and they go, oh, yeah, yeah, it's safe. How could we find out if it's for real?

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, good point. You do have to fitting me actually. There they are, you know, and whether they're knowingly doing it or not, you know, some of them truly believe it, and you know, because that's what it says on the bottle, right? But, but you have to remember, this industry is self regulated, right? It is not third party regulate. The EPA is virtually Toothless at this point. It really, you know, and the EPA itself deals with a scientific framework that that's outdated, and I use this example that we can't trust the EPA necessarily, it's better than nothing. But the EPA has reduced their safe level of lead over 70 times since the 1960s right? That, you know, because they study and they're like, oh, this, this. This level is safe. It's safe. Euro, you're okay, oh, shoot. Well, a little more evidence comes in. Nope, this, this level is safe, I think. Oh, shoot. Another, yep, no, this we, oh yeah. Well, when we let you, so it used to be that where they would look at just cancer, yeah, oh yeah. This, this level, you won't get cancer, but, but you get a third nipple down here, right? Yeah. And so, oh, okay, we don't want third nipples, so let's, let's kind of go down a little bit more and you know, so, so we can't EPA is better than nothing in many ways, but it certainly isn't perfect. And so when they say, Oh yeah, the these are safe, what you can do as a consumer, the one, the one thing we can do is ask for a an MSDS, a materials and safety data sheet. Now they can, they can skirt around that by saying it's proprietary, right? But every chemical, every company has to, by law, by request, give you the MSDS safety sheets for. For every chemical that they're using. Okay? So then what you can do is you can take that MSDS assuming that they're not just outright lying, which some chemicals do, or some companies do, a lot of companies don't, thanks to Aaron Brockovich and other pioneers that that keep chemical chemical companies somewhat accountable, you know, they're not blatant about it anymore. So you can ask for the MSDS, and then you can just do the research. You can look at the chemicals, which you know, some of them are 100 words long, or letters long, but you can Google it, and you can start doing some research, and, and, and you'll see what, what this chemical is, what has been studied, what it's been related to. And I've done that. I've done that even with some of the stuff that I get from the green design center. I'm like, Yeah, you know, I want to make sure, you know, Andy, who's the owner of the green design center has, has already done this, but, but I'm my own researcher, and so I'm like, I want to know and, and so even, you know, even some of the the natural products have chemicals in it, and you're like, wow, that's, you know, that Doesn't sound safe. You know, isobuto, you know, thalay proprio, you know, cyanate, that doesn't sound very safe, you know. And you do the research, and sure enough, it's not very it's not very safe.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

So am I asking, am I asking the the exterminator for the MSDS, or am I asking what product that he uses? And then I asked the company, the product company, there is

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

a law, at least in Colorado, I think it's a national law that A, if a commercial company like, you know, pest, pest red, or whatever, you know, what is the Orkin, you know, or whatever, the orcin man, they if they're the end user, they have to provide the consumer with those MSDS. They do so you should be able to request that from the commercial applicant. Okay, for the applicator, the commercial applicator has to, has to do that. And that's a great point, though, Terry or Byron, because if you, you know, there, there are so many things that are sprayed in our house for pests and and we think that they're safe because we, you know, we can't see him, touch him, smell him. And there are, there are a lot of natural options for your pets. So the pet collars, right that keep fleas and ticks away, really, really toxic that these are neuro toxins. They're neurotoxins, and they're not safe, if you really look at the at the and even the the medications that they take, or the lotions and the shampoos, my goodness, these are so, so toxic. And this is exactly you know, what you know, what you have to be aware of. So that's a great point Byron. That's really, really good. There are natural options too. So if you have mice in your house, you can do natural pest removal, and that is becoming an industry as well. Natural pest removal. There are natural citrus agents that you can use to repel pests now that that don't have any chemicals in them, but I would still ask for an MSDS sheet on those. But there are chemical there are companies in probably every major city that is that advertises themselves to be chemical free natural pest removals. And in terms of pets, there's also a lot of natural pet products now. So we do live in an age where there are a lot of options to us, but we also live in the most toxic age ever, you know, and it's getting worse by the day. Yeah,

Dr. Spencer Baron:

you know what? I realize while you're talking, you know, we we're focused on the home. We're focused now on, you know, things for the pets. But yeah, what we have to also take under consideration. We've had several nutritionists on on the program, yeah, and we're realizing that you got processed, highly processed foods in the United States that are, that are really, you know, driving the food economy here, yeah, and now you talk about the house, so we're getting adulterated from all these different areas that somebody we have to, you know, really take control in some area here, absolutely. I want to ask you about another, another thing that's very stealth that most people don't realize. Yeah, the carpet, yes, walking barefoot on,

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

yeah, exactly that, yeah. So you asked me a little while ago, you know, what are three other things, right? So we, you know, we've got the water and we've got the paint, and now we have the air. So the other thing is. Flooring and carpets are, and I'll get to the fifth one after this. But the carpets are, again, recycled plastics, and they're, they're sprayed with stain resistance, right, and odor resistance, so they're full of chemicals that that that keep it smelling good and lasting long. So, you know, it's got, it's got Scotchgard, which, which is PFOs. PFOs is a known endocrine disrupter. It causes diabetes and children, it causes diabetes. In adults, it causes, you know, it's been linked to autism. And you know, your baby's crawling around on it, you're walking on a barefoot, you're getting down, and you're stretching. And, you know, it's, it's all getting absorbed through your skin. And of course, when you walk, the dust comes up from it. And there's some videos you can Google, dust coming up from someone walking in the carpet and, and, and you know, they'll have time lapse video and, and when you walk, all this stuff comes up and you're breathing that in. So even if you have toxic carpet, you know, keeping it clean, but, but, but it's really difficult to keep clean, because every time you vacuum it, you're loosening up, you know, micro plastics, right? And so, and it's getting into the air. So in terms of budgeting for a healthy home, flooring is one of the top things that you want to look at. So in my healthy home that I built, which, if we have time, at the end, I can give a quick description of everything that I did, if someone's really interested in in how do I build a healthy home from the ground up? But you know, in my home, I use wool carpet, 100% wool carpet, and then you can do jute padding. So jute is kind of a like a rubber tree and very soft

Dr. Spencer Baron:

spell, jute, G, j u t e, jute, J, u t e,

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

and it's, it's really soft, it's durable. Wool carpets there, it's definitely more expensive, but they tend to last 20 years or more. They have natural stain resistant in them because of the natural oils and wool, right? And that's why it's, it's really good for for clothing as well. So there's some good companies out there. Again, the green design center, hardwood flooring there's there I heard some, some researcher when I went to an Environmental Medicine conference once talking about just the chemicals and how how they interrupt testosterone. And I thought this is something that I came up with myself, and I use this in my lectures. Most hardwoods make you not have hardwood. You get that. You get that, all right, you got that? That's good. You got it? Alright, took Terry a second, but Byron got it really quick.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

No, yes, I had it. I just was I let Spencer have the okay.

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

But yeah, you know, you walk around on these, on these even hardwood floorings, they're covered with oil based stains. And then those oil based stains are covered with really hard plastics, really high chemicals, because they have to it has to be liquid, and then it has to harden. And to make something that hardens that's liquid requires a ton of chemicals, and has to resist UV radiation, and so most of the covering, coverings of hardwood floors are super toxic, and you're walking on that barefoot, and you know a lot of endocrine disruptors now, hardwood floors in general are better for You than any other flooring except wool carpet, so linoleum is extremely toxic. You get the glues. It's not only plastic itself, very highly leachable plastic, but then you get all the glues that's under it. Right tile can be good, but you do have you do have to use the right mortar, you do have to use the right grout, and you do have to use a non toxic sealer. It's the sealers on on tile and all that kind of stuff that makes it really, really toxic as well. So all of that you can do through, again, the green design center, it's, it's such a wonderful resource. I really, you know, I don't have any financial relationship with them at all. But what a cool source. Somebody really understanding, he's been doing this for 20 years, understanding the need of how, how toxic our homes are and and how can we have products that improve that quality a little bit so, so hardwood floors are really, or all flooring, as you see. Is really, really important. So, so yeah, get even the corn based ones, right? You get the green flooring, right? You get green flooring. Well, it's recycled plastic, or it's made out of corn, right? It sounds good, but again, they have to use a ton of plasticizers, and that's how you get more and more plastic than you in your home, so, or in your body, so, so, yes, flooring absolutely key.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

So the holidays are coming and people do things different, like they burn candles, yeah, they bring in a Christmas tree or, you know, Hanukkah candles and things like that. So yeah, and that you have, you know that the Christmas trees I always heard were sprayed with chemicals when they were being harvested. Then the candles for your you know Hanukkah these, these burn chemicals as well. You have any suggestions, yeah, during the holidays, when you're supposed to be happy and healthy?

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

Yeah, exactly I know, right? It's it reminds me of what I often say about a first birthday, right? For someone who's got a first birthday and and what did we do for someone who, with their first birthday, they're eating chocolate cake and it's got gluten and dairy and sugary like, Oh, look at Johnny. He's having such a great time while he's developing autism, as we speak, you know? But Christmas is kind of like that too, you know? Yeah, it's, there are, there are a lot of natural candles. You want to look at, natural beeswax candles, even even natural beeswax does give off some soot, but natural beeswax does clean the air as well, because it releases negative ions that can latch on to to to chemicals and kind of bring them down and make them a little bit more inert. So beeswax candles are a great option if in Colorado, you can go cut your own tree. But then, of course, I feel sorry for the tree, so you know that that's a really tough one. And then you don't want the plastic tree either, because that's full of plastic and that does out gas. And you are exact. You are 100% correct. Most commercial, most commercial tree companies, they spray their trees with a ton of chemicals to make it last greener. So these are preservatives, benzoates and and they even spray it with some some air, you know, chemicals that make it smell more like a Christmas tree. So, so you can search around, you know, certainly the ones that are being sold in the Walmart parking lot probably not the ones that you want. No, no offense to Walmart, although they are the greatest source of chemicals in the home and for the bodies for the most part.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

Well,

Dr. Spencer Baron:

there goes Home Depot and Walmart as

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

Yeah, and who it's right now, chemicals, Proctor and Gamble. Yeah, you guys, yeah, sorry, but you've

Dr. Spencer Baron:

that would be very contradictory, yeah? Well, it's

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

kind of like the matrix, right? And once you, once you swallow the red pill, you can't, there's no going back. And Byron, you kind of had that aha moment of like we are really, truly being bombarded at every level. It's it's our food, it's our beauty products, it's our home, it's our workplace, it's our cars, like and and it doesn't mean that we are helpless, though. It's about getting this out and doing these kinds of podcasts. So thank you guys for doing it and, and

Dr. Spencer Baron:

there was a, there was a fifth thing that we could change before we go into rapid fire questions. What was that? Was there a fit? Or did we cover it? Or was there a fifth element that we could change. You know, there was the air, the water, purified water, there was the carpet, the paint, yep,

Unknown:

yep.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Was there a fifth one, yep?

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

So the fifth one is, what else do you do in in your home? The most? What do you do the home? What do you do in your house? Was everyone do for at least seven to nine hours, hopefully

Dr. Spencer Baron:

sleep.

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

Okay? Your bed and your pillows are are a huge source of toxins, okay? And you know, they're full of chemicals, flame retardants, because they, you know, they don't want people. Ever since the 70s, when in 60s, when idiots would smoke in bed and then spontaneously combust themselves. You know, the, you know the the industry is in the EPA has mandated that most furniture, okay, so. Not just home or not just your bed. So I'm going to say that the fifth category is your furniture, including bedding. It. They've mandated that it be sprayed with a ton and built in to it with a ton of flame retardants. And these are forever chemicals. Most flame retardants are forever chemicals, and so you know you and you're you're being intimate in and with your bed, right? I mean, you're breathing it in. Your whole body is touching the bed, and it leeches through your your sheets. And of course, if you wash your sheets, like I said with gain, so it smells good, you're getting a double whammy there. So there are natural mattresses that you can do. A lot of people have rubber allergies, and so, you know, there's rubber beds that are great for some people. But even if you don't want that, there's 100% organic and non toxic companies out there. Avocado is one you can get online. Avocado is a company that makes green and healthy beds. And then there's a company here in Boulder, and they have several stores. It's called Urban mattress. So you can, you can type in, you know, Colorado urban mattress, and they'll ship anywhere in the country, and they have, there's a brand that I use that I love, this bed. I've had it for about five years now. It's called Bloom and and great, great mattress. It's got like a wool, wool topper to it, and just really comfortable. It comes in different, different softness is, you know, different firm. Firmness is So, you know, that's, that's a really important option. And then your pillow as well. Your pillow is usually filled with toxic flame retardants and and mildew and mold retardants. And so getting something that is 100% natural. And there's a lot of them out there. It's, you know, organic cotton, and then it's filled with maybe buckwheat, or it's filled with 100% cotton inside as well. So there are a lot of options and and that's huge, because most pillows are made with with with foam, and you have to remember, so is memory foam. It is foam. These are made with petroleum byproducts, and petroleum byproducts are toxic. And so, yeah, just do what you can if, if you have a mattress that you just bought and you can't return, and it's and, you know, it's toxic. Of course, letting it out gas the first 90 days is when it out gasses the most. So having an air purifier and changing your sheets, you know, every couple of days, these are things that can make a big difference. You can also get a a semi permeable, organic mattress topper. And it's like it's it's stain resistant, somewhat stain or water repellent and and that will keep some of the outgassing. You can wrap it in that. And it also keeps the mattress safe from from stains and stuff too. So, so you can go online, you can talk to urban mattress, and they have organic mattress covers that are water repellent and that will keep some of the outgassing down as well. So, so if you just spent a couple grand on a new mattress, and it's toxic. You know, there's also Facebook marketplace. You can give it away to some unsuspecting person and buy a new one. So, but yes, that's your furniture. The last thing I'll say too about that is we spend a lot of time on the couch, to some of us, you know, and and our in our chairs, and, you know, looks like Terry. You've got an wood one that, you know, that looks good, but, but you know, what is, what is the padding made out of? So there are companies out there. There's one in Southern California called stem furniture stem, and they make 100% organic furniture as well, custom made if you want.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

I'm writing all this stuff down. Yeah, that's

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

great, you know? And there are, there are companies that will take your old furniture and reupholster it and use all natural stuff. So so we do have options. I ended up getting a really nice leather couch, and leather is super toxic. Most leathers are I don't have time to get into all the tannings that they do and then the coverings that they do, but, but even I don't know if you guys have heard of our house, A, R, H, A, U, S, it's kind of a. Slightly higher end furniture store. You know, certainly we have out here called something called American Furniture Warehouse, anything that says warehouse in the name you probably want to avoid, because every right lumber liquidator warehouse, it's all coming from China. But you do have options, and they they don't necessarily break the bank, but, but furniture is number five for sure. So we've got we've got air, we've got water, we've got flooring, we've got your paint and walls, and then we've got your furniture and bedding. And those five make up the most toxicity in your home, and so removing those and phasing those out can make a big, big difference to your to your overall health brain fog. It can eliminate brain fog. I've helped patients do that and and it's changed their life and helps them lose weight. Because we are getting so many toxins through our through our home, that we can't see, touch, smell, taste here, you know, and they really are causing problems. So, so I'm yeah, thank you guys for recognizing I think it was like one sentence that I said last time, and you guys really caught on to that. So that was cool.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

You know, it was amazing is that the you you brought back the memory of a when I was a listening to some of the upper class men in Texas chiropractic college, and they were having difficulty with a case. Yeah, a woman was so sick, and they, they, they were trying to help her for for a month or so, and they couldn't figure it out. Somebody went in and kept asking, you know, about history and everything they they someone finally narrowed it down to the fact that she would sit in her in a particular area of the couch every night, and that had a small tear that exposed the foam, yeah, contact with her body, and the foam was highly toxic, I think formaldehydes or something like that. She was very sensitive to the moment she got rid of the couch, she got

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

better. That's right, exactly. So, yeah,

Dr. Spencer Baron:

that's like, that hits it out of the ballpark. That was a big one that you mentioned you got, you know, I want to, I want to get into the rapid fire questions, but I have tremendous fear, because I don't think they're gonna be very rapid try. We're gonna

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

try to try. Give me how many more challenges.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Rapid fire, okay, you're a bright guy, and you're quick on your feet. Let's see if you can take on the challenge, all right, if you could design a dream home, a healthy home, yeah, the planet Mars, what's one feature it would absolutely need for human wellness, a

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

lot of a lot of sunlight, a lot of sunlight, right? You've got to have a lot of sunlight. Something we didn't talk about in terms of health. We talked about, you know, focusing on chemicals, but it, you know, a truly healthy home has a lot of windows. You can see this place has a lot of windows. And, you know, I am adamant that, and studies have proven that you need skylights, you need Windows, you need natural light. Natural light is what we thrive on. All of our hormones are dependent on it. Our brain is dependent on it. We need a lot of natural light, so if you live in a dark home, at least get outside as much as possible. And and then the last words was a, yeah, exactly.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

It's juicy. It's 20 seconds. We're not counting words, we're counting timing. Now, question number two, your your host, you are hosting a dinner party or wellness centered home. What's the One Health hack ingredient you'd secretly add to every dish to supercharge your guest vitality? Ah,

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

I would add glutamine. Glutamine. It's colorless, odorless, tasteless, and glutamine helps heal leaky gut. It helps your brain function better. You know, they would never know it's there. And, and glutamine is something that I take every day, so I love glutamine.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

I love that answer. That was great, man. All right. Question number three, yeah, you were stuck in a snowstorm in the mountains and could choose one book to read by the fire. What book would we find in your hands? Oh, boy,

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

one book. Probably something on endocrine disruptors. I love reading that stuff. Actually. No, I, I'm my secret love is, is sci fi westerns. So, so they're like sci fi westerns, you know, either sci fi or a Western. But if they can combine them, I love sci fi westerns. So. There was a TV show, I think, called or a movie called serenity based on a TV show, and that's, it's, you know, it's, it's both Western and sci fi. So I don't know, I love, I love going off into sci fi and Western stuff. It's, it's mindless, and it lets my brain relax. Sci

Dr. Spencer Baron:

fi movie, I remember, was with Yul Brynner, or, like, west, west world, or something like that. That was 100 years ago. I just showed my age. All right, yeah, oh yeah.

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

He has a good he had a good Western though, called The Magnificent Seven, one of my favorites. Oh yeah, man, old westerns. I can, I can geek out on old westerns all day. Man, I

Dr. Terry Weyman:

love old westerns. And the new Magnificent Seven wasn't nearly as good as zero. No,

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

it wasn't. They just tried to make it bloody and violent. Yeah, yeah, right.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

It's awesome. Question number four, in the spirit of in the spirit of wellness, if you could choose one. Now, choose one. Would you rather have a home with perfect air quality but terrible water or pristine water but awful air quality? Wow,

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

that's a tough one man. That's a really, really tough one. I think because air goes directly into our lungs and and into our body, I would have to choose clean air over the clean water, because at least when we drink water, our liver has a chance to to filter it out, right? Our liver does its job. It's called the first by first pass effect. When we breathe stuff in, it goes directly into our bloodstream, into the rest of the body, unfiltered, and so I'd have to choose clean air, no doubt

Dr. Spencer Baron:

nice. You know that that that question alone reminds me of my my two kids that would sit in the backseat of the car and they'd go, all right, all right. Would you rather burn in a fire or drown in the water? Exactly?

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

Exactly? My kids just asked me that the other day exactly, it kind of turned morbid. Would you like your skin peeled, or would you like to be burned? What are you guys learning in school? This is insane,

Dr. Spencer Baron:

and it just got more morbid from there. All right, last question, this is great. Last question, you're a huge advocate for healthy environments, obviously. What's the most unhealthy guilty pleasure you have in your home? That would probably surprise your patients? Be candid, yeah,

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

you know, my, my guilty pleasure are, is chips, you know? And I have, I have good chips like they're late July, but they're still right. They still have a lot of oil and sunflower oil and refined seed oils and stuff. So, you know, that would be probably my guilty pleasure. I just love I love chips and that crunch. So, you know, I don't have it every day, but that's, that's something that I tell my patients to not do until they're healthier. But, yeah, that's, that's the one thing that I that I like. I love it.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

I love it. Terry, you got one? You got a guilty pleasure?

Dr. Terry Weyman:

You're gonna make me do candid, aren't you? Yeah, well, I

Dr. Spencer Baron:

minor chips too, but donuts,

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

really, donuts are addictive.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

I have a I probably have a more, maybe once or twice a year, but I'll have patience bring in so thank you, donuts, if they're good, a good donut. I What kind? What kind of donut? The worst ones, the cinnamon rolls, the twists and the glazed.

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

That reminds me my absolute, my absolute love, or eclairs. And there's a place in Longmont, where I live and work, that makes gluten free, dairy free eclairs, it's filled with coconut cream, so at least you can feel better about it.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

Yeah, I go. I go all once or twice a year. I'm not going for a healthy donut, yeah? Totally, just a good and they have to be fresh. I have to have the day they were made.

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

Totally, yeah. Great, yeah. How about you Byron, you don't get off easy. You said chips.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

I I said, I said, chips. But man, I, I could abuse the chip department. It's yeah, it's, it's Yeah, and it's, and it's not just the taste and everything. It's, like, constantly moving. I realized that I think better when I'm like, you know, working and chewing on chips, you know, yeah,

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

because it's releasing dopamine.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Yeah, yes, it's

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

getting your serotonin and dopamine, eating, yep, yep, going, Yep, that's right.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

And my, and my, you know, and mine, is releasing the glucose coma. So

Dr. Spencer Baron:

it's not exactly,

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

hey, we won't talk about the chemical in fried foods, right? Donuts are really fried. Yeah, they. All

Dr. Terry Weyman:

right. So on that note, we're gonna wrap this up. So thank you so much for your time, and we so appreciate you, man, you're just such a wealth of knowledge. And so thank you for and those listening. You know, start with those five things. You mean, what's the worst thing can happen? You feel better? Exactly,

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

yep, absolutely. Thank you guys for having me. I love it. And anytime you want to have me on to give brief, but not so brief answers, I'll be there. Anytime you want a long winded answer, I'll be there.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

You are. You are definitely a storehouse for just an information and a list of things that we can exercise as resources. So thank you so much now, thank

Dr. Brandon Lundell:

you guys. You guys are awesome. Thanks for what you do, too.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Thank you for listening to today's episode of The cracking backs podcast. We hope you enjoyed it. Make sure you follow us on Instagram at cracking backs podcast, catch new episodes every Monday. See you next time you.