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Back Pain Was Ruining His Life; So He Invented a Solution- Dr. Eric Goodman

• Dr. Terry Weyman and Dr. Spencer Baron

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Imagine facing the decision between major spinal surgery or forging your own path to wellness through innovative movement—this was the crossroads that defined Dr. Eric Goodman's life. Today, he's the creator of Foundation Training, a revolutionary approach born from his personal battle with debilitating back pain during chiropractic school. Choosing movement over fusion surgery, Dr. Goodman transformed his own pain into a powerful healing methodology that's redefining vitality and resilience for thousands worldwide.

In this captivating episode, Dr. Goodman dives deep into his unique methods, emphasizing decompression breathing and posterior chain activation—techniques distinctively designed to engage the body's fascial networks and recalibrate the nervous system. You'll discover practical, easy-to-implement exercises that will immediately impact how you sit, move, and breathe, providing relief from chronic pain and significantly boosting your daily vitality.

Beyond just the physical transformations, Dr. Goodman reveals how consistent practice of Foundation Training fosters profound psychological and emotional benefits, enhancing overall mental health and well-being. We’ll explore why movement is not just medicine for the body but therapy for the mind.

Join us as we discuss the future of healthcare and movement therapy, uncovering exciting research and groundbreaking innovations that Dr. Goodman predicts will shape wellness landscapes for years to come.

This episode is essential for anyone looking to reclaim their health, understand the intricate connection between movement and emotional wellness, and revolutionize their approach to managing pain and enhancing performance.

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Dr. Spencer Baron:

Imagine a life free of chronic pain, where simple shifts in how you breathe and move unlock vitality you never thought possible. Today's guest, Dr Eric Goodman, he didn't just imagine it. He created it driven by his own battle against debilitating back pain. Dr Goodman bypassed spinal surgery and revolutionized the way we think about healing through movement. Founder of foundation training, his groundbreaking techniques in decompression, breathing and something called posterior chain activation are transforming lives, connecting physical resilience with emotional well being. Prepare to rethink how you sit, breathe and move. This is cracking backs with Dr Eric Goodman, welcome to the show. Dr Eric Goodman. Man, we got some cool stuff. I want to talk about anybody who can avoid surgery and come up with a game plan like something called foundational training deserves the sound stage and video stage. So welcome to the show, Eric, thank you. Thank you very much. So let let's go over a couple things so you can get this audience really prepped for something pretty cool as foundational training. You know, I want to share a little background about your your your own previous struggle with debilitating back pain, which, as a chiropractor, you know, rest of the the world thinks that we don't get problems with our spine because we can, we can pretty much fix it, but you took it to the next level and created your own approach. So could you please? How the heck did that all come about?

Unknown:

It's a tough thing to summarize, but yeah, I'm a I'm very grateful that I that I did it, that I stuck with it, that I didn't go what felt like a really weird route at the time, because I was, you know, more than halfway through chiropractic school, being told that I needed to get a fusion surgery, which that goes so against what we learn, what we preach, who we are, and it really went against my independent, sort of ethical way of managing myself in my life. At the time, I didn't know what was going to come of this, but I just started trying a lot. I tried strengthening my back. And now you gotta understand I wasn't I wasn't like a sedentary person. I was a water polo player in college. I was a weightlifter in graduate school. I played ice hockey for the graduate for the chiropractic school at Logan. Like I've always been a very athletic, very large person, and my center just broke down, plain and simple. My l3 l4 l5 herniation, herniation, herniation. The l4 l5 was disc. I'm sorry, bone on bone and l5 s1 had actually gone beyond bone on bone, almost to like the erosive process. You can see my MRIs online. They're pretty ugly. They look like a very old and degenerated spine. But even in the 2012 one, which is shared online, I was already five steady years into these extension exercises and these proximal hamstring, isometric and then dynamic contractions that I had been playing with that became the founder exercise, became the woodpecker exercise became my anchoring principle of stabilizing the bottom of the pelvis with the muscles below the pelvis in order for the spine to have this like lift off extension potential and then a decompression breathing principle that is that lift off potential, actual lines. Now what that is, that's a summary of 15 years of everyday work. I've been ongoing developing foundation training since 2007 and I haven't stopped into 2025 because I have to my back is injured. My spine is problematic, and if I don't fuse it muscularly, meaning keep it stable, so that it doesn't fall off its course of movement, pelvis, then spine, no matter the direction, then I get pain. I get symptoms. I get ridicular symptoms. I get weakness. I might even get dry. Even get drop foot for a few hours until I correct that nerve pathway in myself, in the ways that I've kind of painstakingly is the right word, gone through, learned, replicated so many times now for 1516, years that I really trust them, and when my symptoms come about right back into those principles internally rotating the femur heads to open up SI joint space, using the adductor muscles of the pubic symphysis to centrate and centralize my center of gravity so that my spine isn't trying to figure itself out in space. And these process. This is lifting. This the occiput right off c1 accurately, so that my SCM muscles begin participating a bit more in breathing. Each of these is like a scaffolding that you can put around the spine to support it. And I've had what I would call both the luxury and opportunity and endurance to go through this process and sort of find my own personal way of hitting each of these levers, testing that process really definitively for a long time with a lot of people, and then presenting it as an option for people that are experiencing spinal breakdown and like that's literally the story of foundation training with all of the chaos, all of the friction, all of the hell removed.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Well, first of all, now I understand why you wanted to do this podcast standing up, because you know you're you're using your whole body to explain which is part of the whole process. That's foundation training everywhere. Thank you for that. So you you also are obviously practicing what you preach, because you're doing it right in front of us. Let me ask you, let's go dig a little bit deeper into this, and remember our audience is also lay people. So I want to go into this concept that you have really depicted in foundational training is decompression, breathing and posterior chain activation. Explain those two facets and how they come together and create this, you know, body's fascial network and nervous system connection.

Unknown:

I'll do my best. And okay, thank you. Thank you for the reminder of good luck. Yeah, thank you for the reminder of language, because that's that's like my Achilles is sort of over explaining, unfortunately. So thank you. You caught me early, which I appreciate. But let me start. Let me start with pelvic anchoring, because that's where everything expresses from. In foundation training, you have to think of the first, the first kind of just take out what you know, and be open minded for a minute to what might be the pelvic structure, the bones of the pelvic wings, where they connect at the bottom, at the pubic symphysis, that's your center of gravity, where those two hemispheres of the pelvis connect underneath you. The pelvic bowl, that center of gravity, has suspension cables that keep it in place. The vast majority of those suspension cables attach below the adductor muscles, the hamstring muscles, the gluteal muscles, the iliacus muscle, each of these muscles connects the femur or thigh bone to that respective pelvic wing on that side, everything from there up minus the shoulders is, in some ways, dictate, dictated by the stability of that underside of the pelvis where those muscles connect to it, so much so that I literally wrote a book in 2011 called redefine your core, which illustrates the posterior chain muscles of the legs as a pretty significant piece of the core, the adductor muscles, or groin muscles of the legs, where they connect to the pubic symphysis, at the bottom of the pelvis, very important piece of the core of the body, the performance core, the stability core, the strength core. There's also muscles above the pelvis that connect to it, the rectus abdomen, the transverse abdomen, the obliques, the lattice, all the way down to the back, through the lumbo or the thoracolumbar fascia. Major connections to the pelvis that dictate how the pelvis sits in space. Pelvic anchoring is the use of that 360 degree musculature that surrounds the femurs the thigh bones towards the pubic symphysis, to find center. Most people will tell you to kind of change anterior pelvic tilt or change posterior pelvic tilt. What we're saying is pull down accurately from center, and that will neutralize either one of those tilts, and it will facilitate the ability of the torso to align expansively. It's got this now underside tension that it can feel safe with and lift away from, which leads to decompression breathing. So pelvic anchoring is is pelvic wings down to the feet and the arches the stability line. Decompression breathing is a education towards expansion of the rib cage, first of the abdomen. Second we. Do the rib cage first, because we want the ribs to move away from center as big and broad as they possibly can, which teaches the diaphragm initially to expand and contract accurately when we get a little better at that rib cage expansion portion of decompression breathing, which is like a few days of practice, the muscles kick in very quickly. We start to train this eccentric, short muscle to long muscle contraction of the diaphragm. And we do that eccentric, short to long training of the diaphragm by maintaining we got balloons, maintaining this expansion as we exhale, making the transverse abdomen, the obliques, some other muscles that surround the abdomen contract and stay long Supporting this expansive length of the diaphragm while it's trained to sort of settle back down to its logic, to settle back down to its relaxed position. So decompression breathing trains the serratus muscles which line the rib cage. And those serratus muscles are the informers of the diaphragm for its contraction. So you're really educating your body significantly in these processes. And foundation training is the combination of anchoring the pelvis and decompressing the torso against that tension in about 30 different positions. But most people really need to learn like two, and if you learn two, it's going to help you stabilize and do the other things you like to do

Dr. Spencer Baron:

better. So you've taken, you know, it's funny, you've taken core, I give core training to another level, because the emphasis that that the world places on strengthening your core has gotten so played out that I don't think people really understand it like you do. So that is I and by the way, how in the world did you come up with this? Because this, this is stuff that we're not we're taught in chiropractic college, and you know anatomy and physiology, you know basic stuff, but you've obviously taken it to the next level. How did you come up with this recipe?

Unknown:

A lot of obsession. You know, being entirely honest, I was incredibly frustrated with my career choice for a few years. Yeah, I felt that being in chiropractic school had and please understand, this is 2728 29 year old, Eric, I'm now 44 I've been doing this a long time. I've had substantial experience, and I now understand the necessity of all the stuff I'm about to talk about. But at the time, I didn't. At the time, I was 250 to $300,000 in debt. I had graduated with a chiropractic degree, my back was in agony, legitimate agony. Couldn't, couldn't. Was like the main operative, couldn't, could not, cannot do what I want to do, whatever that vector at that stage of my life might have been, I would go at something like kind of hard, no matter what it was. And then I'd have three weeks where I couldn't do anything and that that going at something kind of hard could be leaning down to give somebody an accurate cervical adjustment in clinic, things like that. And my back degeneration just got so bad that everything was on a disc. Everything was on a nerve root. I just kept hitting them left and right, and I got very, very angry at my choices to that point, honestly, just being on, you know, you want to know the truth, this is how you come up with something like this. Yeah, you don't just come up with it. You have to have a fuel, and that fuel of frustration, that was a 10 year burn for me, where the key development processes, strengthening myself very relentlessly, not giving up on my ability to have a happy, joyful, pleasant life, and sort of working this extension process that I had been taught to be sort of scared of outside of McKenzie extensions, but I needed To get stronger, because my spine was unable to expand extend at the lumbar spine. As it turned out, it's because my butt muscles were squeezing all the time, pressing my SI joints forward, not letting my spine extend, because it was basically blocking it. As soon as I rotate the femurs in, I can extend. That's five years of thoughts in 30 seconds here.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

Let me interrupt you for just a set you you mentioned that people just need to do two things to get started. What are some of those two things when you kind of put that little bug in their ear if they're listening to the show right now, where are two things they can get out of the chair right now and start trying to figure this stuff out?

Unknown:

One of them you could. Do in your chair, and both of them I have on YouTube for free, so you can check them out before you go any deeper. But if you go on YouTube right now and just type in seated decompression, you'll get a brief tutorial on what you can do in your chair that includes both anchoring the pelvis and decompressing the torso. And then another one you can do is just type in decompression, breathing or pelvic anchoring. Either one of those will come up with a foundation training video that expresses what you can do. And they're they're a few minutes long. If you really want to challenge yourself, I have a couple videos that are very popular on YouTube. They're called my 12 minute videos. Just type in 12 minute video and a foundation training video will come up. And I challenge you to do that. It's very safe for your back, but it's extremely difficult to get through for most people, but that's, those are three things you could do today. What was that? I'm sorry. It's

Dr. Terry Weyman:

a challenge accepted. Yeah,

Unknown:

it's, it's one of the first things I ever did. I put it out in 2011 and it's by far one of the most popular things you ever put out. And just just 12 minute videos, yeah, but that's, that's something you all can do today. So now the developmental process of foundation training is, is one word, Somato sensation. That's how I developed this 10, 1215, years ago, 18 years ago, I didn't have a real keen sense of what was happening in my body. I was just in pain over the years with major help from one substance that I'll tell people, and you can have your opinion on it, but I've had my life changed by it, personally, instead of going any traditional route of pain management, I smoked pot, had cannabis that thought process instead of Advil, instead of Tylenol, instead of anything bigger than that, led me down and I can feel what's happening rabbit hole instead of a dissociative I don't feel what's happening rabbit hole. And it was the process and ability to feel what was happening internally, but not be so deterred by it that I had to stop it. And I really do thank cannabis for that over the years, because it's let me hit a point of pain that I understand instead of being scared of. And it was that switch that that acceptance, understanding and then eventual comprehension that led to every single pose and maneuver that exists in foundation training, and each pose or maneuver when I had as soon as I was able to get into me, back this up, so you guys can see what I'm doing as soon as I was able to go, you know, from a lunge like this, into this proximal hamstring loaded position with A little bit of gluten. IT band, load and hold. It didn't look like this. At first. It looked like this. And I was just experiencing my back not doing the work, and my it, band, posterior, chain doing the work. That would lead to, like, a couple new developments, because I would be in this position, challenging the leg, and then I would notice if I spun my opposite hip in and challenged it more I went too far. Oh, that's problematic. You know, a lot of going too far, a lot of hitting the boundary, a lot of kind of injuring myself and pulling out of it slowly and steadily, learning to trust the fundamentals, which are hip hinges feel better than spinal flexion and extension. Pelvic rotation yields better spinal rotation in the same direction. Those are the fundamentals of ft the other one. If your lower back is always tucked forward, your head is always going to be forward. If your lower back is always extended, you're always going to be hyper extended at the neck and this other anterior head carriage, as the sacrum goes the occiput goes like those old wooden snakes with all the compartments that kind of move together. That's sort of how the spine operates muscularly. It doesn't happen in a vacuum, as any chiropractor will understand and speak to but you can really see that in spinal injuries that are finding stability, because the stable moment at first is very brief, and then you're out of it again, on accident, and then it's a little longer, then you're out of the get on accident. And you keep you keep stabilizing slowly. And what people with chronic spinal chronic spinal injuries will come to notice is the stronger the hips and legs get, the stronger the spine and neck are able to get, and if the legs can't do their work, the spine is never able to get, really, truly, strong enough to do what it needs to do.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Well, I'll tell you, you know, thank you, and thanks to a lot of pain and suffering, because that's a big motivator, and a lot of weed, because obviously, you're, because you're, you're, I want to mention for the for the viewers and followers and listeners to this podcast, that. It that 12 minute video on YouTube has 1.7 million views, and you have about 160 followers. Bro.

Unknown:

That's the wrong that's the wrong video. That was the other one,

Dr. Spencer Baron:

whichever one, no, no, look at the 12 minute one. Is that the one you're talking about? I have 212

Unknown:

minute video ones, one we made a year and a half ago, that's the one with one point something million. Yeah, the original one has like 10 million, because that's the one that everybody goes to that that original one like no, no. Bs, that original one built the first five years of our career. And foundation training, by the way, is owned by myself and two of my closest friends in the world since we were kids. One became a chiropractor with me. The other one was a firefighter for 17 years and then joined us a decade ago. So every you know, it's a it's a pretty tight little crew that does this

Dr. Spencer Baron:

whole thing too. It's brilliant. It is absolutely brilliant. Thank you.

Unknown:

But go try those. They only help if you do them. Yeah.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

So I'm today. So what? What makes it different, or what complements typical or traditional physical therapy and or even chiropractic approaches. Do you still, you know, crack backs? Do you do any of that stuff? No, I'm 100%

Unknown:

what I would consider treatment via movement. 100% I refer, in fact, next door to me is a wonderful hands on chiropractor that all of my students and patients will go and get hands on work if needed by I really believe in the collaborative effort and in doing what I do at the at the level that I've learned to and hope to continue ascending into. I cannot focus on anything else professionally. I have to be 100% into the experiences of one on one with patients the internet. We have 1500 foundation training instructors around the world, and I do my best to help them with patient interactions as well. And sometimes they get very complicated cases, and we use those to like I learned through those where so most of my career at this stage is a handful of individual patients, most of whom I've been working with for a decade or more. And then and I just I kept work. I keep working with them. I'm not willing to not work with them, and vice versa. And then, if you see the map behind me, this is our instructor map, and I really am doing everything possible to help our instructors get just higher, higher, higher ability with autoimmune patients, chronic pain patients and performance athletes, people trying to get back to that, that that fun existence.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Well, one of our, one of our favorite people, is Dr Tim Brown, who you know, well, but man, when that dude says that you're a god, and we, we had to listen, and I still am curious as to how now we established your understanding of chiropractic and what you refer to. But what about physical therapy? Because they implement some movement. But you know, we

Unknown:

some do amazing physical therapy is a little little different. No. And so you asked a specific question, how does it How does it impact chiropractic and physical therapy both both in the exact same way? Number one, we are an accessory. If you only do foundation training, you're only going to get a little better. You're not going to you need all of these other tools. We can, we can help you get more out of everything, but we can't do everything for you in any way, shape or form. Physical therapy. I love my wife's a physical therapist. She's been raising our kids for the last while, but she was a pediatric physical therapist. She's written a book on on the first year of development in any any newborn, and that guides mothers and fathers and parents to help their children hit these physical milestones that are so important to the first year of life. A lot of what the actual DNS protocols are based around is what she's talking about. And you know, talk about a great system. DNS is another one that just takes neurology and just works wonders with it. Physical Therapy understands neurology and neurogenic processes extremely well, as does chiropractic from slightly different lenses, one being more alignment based, one being more symptom pathology based. I love physical therapy lens on this because they look at it from post surgical. They look at it from very specific protocols. They want protocols. It's helped us become much better teachers, much better of our instructor community. I would say 20 to 30% of them are physical therapists. And we actually are in a really exciting academic partnership with the University of Central Florida's School of Physical Therapy. We have a five year academic research partnership where they brought in foundation training as a modality, and their doctoral students over the next five years are doing a longitudinal research study, one lane being pain metrics and pain sensitivity, the other lane being traditional exercise physiology lab tests. And we're doing data collection every two to three months, and big stuff going on, like real and that's. Via that's because of what our work is able to do in the physical therapy community. It's also because my wife went to physical therapy school at the University of Central Florida, graduated, you know, 15 years ago, and luckily, introduced the dean to my work over the past handful of years. And in researching it, they were like, this is pretty cool. We got some new some meetings. We introduced some students to it. The students fell in love with it. They're trying to bring it into, as you know, much bigger part of the program. So, foundation, training, physical therapy, chiropractic, peas and carrots. Man,

Dr. Spencer Baron:

very cool, very good. It's

Unknown:

just movement. It just stabilizes you. It's just movement and breathing that stabilizes you so it makes, you know, it's just a helper.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

You've, you've had a like, a variety of people, and throughout your career as individuals, from elite athletes to a lot of first responders, probably do your friend, what are some of the the at this elite level? Because first responders are elitist. They you know, at this elite level, where some of the the patterns over this 1520, years of experience, have you noticed that is pretty equal to both that that those guys kind of need to start working on before they become debilitated?

Unknown:

I Great question. Number one, very easy. Correlation. Number two, meaning first responders, military construction workers, laborers. You're wearing boots. Your feet are rigid. Your ankles are rigid. Your knees and hips typically have to do a lot of work. When they start to break down. Your spine starts to have to do a lot of work. Eventually that leads to a bit of rigidity to protect it. You get your l4 l5 or your l2 l3 or you get your cervical disc, because your lower back started, you know, rigid, getting a little rigid. Your head started to do too much, but most importantly is get out of your shoes. Start stretching the toes, dorsiflexing the big toe joint, stretching the arches. The arch doesn't get stronger like this. It gets stronger eccentrically by having the load pulled away from it, like the springs of a trampoline make tension through a trampoline bed. So you need to really springify or resilient, you know, bring resilience into the arches and the ankles. If you do that, the result is improved hip and spinal range of motion. If you don't do that, and you try to improve hip and spinal range of motion, you're kind of chooching yourself. Screwing yourself, you're hurting, you're creating an already overcompensating range of motion because the ankles and feet aren't doing their job. Is now being asked to do more, when really all it needs is a lending facilitation of movement from the ankles and the feet to give some give to the hips and spine. So I call that an upstream symptom, where all of the injuries and pains are felt in the spine, but the mechanism of tension is actually from below. So it's an upstream tension versus a lot of problems that come down. You know, neurogenic problems, neuropathies, that are legitimate downstream compression symptoms, but in most very physical people, it's because they stop using their feet. They stop using their ankles. The obvious opposite of that would be like surfers, barefoot runners, climbers, things like that, that that have extremely mobile, high arches, big, barefoot, strong feet, and they actually need to learn to sometimes stabilize the spinal column, because the leg power and movement has given them such excessive range of motion that the spine can't keep up its wave like motion, and has to be sort of stabilized and reminded of its function, to respond To the hips, not to move independently, necessarily, of them, which is, again, that's kind of my theory on it.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

Isn't it amazing that when we have hand injuries or stuff like that, we always work on dexterity and getting our hands stronger. But yet, when we have foot and ankle injuries, we want to be they want to put them in braces, soft shoes, yeah, orthotics, all this kind of stuff, and we never really think below the need for everything above the need to be held healthier. And so it's, it's, it's amazing that when you have people that go, Oh, my hips are killing me, and you look at their feet, and they came and move a toe, and they're super weak, and they have all these, you know, they have orthotics inside a pair of Hocus shoes, and they like to wear ankle braces. And you're like, it doesn't make sense. So thank you for for sharing that little thing. But I also want to go back to something you mentioned. You know, how the how all this pelvic tilt affects the head, whether it's forward, you have the anterior neck or its back, it puts the neck in in extension. And we heard, you know, in one of our podcasts about one of the precursors the cognitive decline is anterior head tilt because of pulling on that duramara, the anchor is at c1 how have you seen all this work affect mental health?

Unknown:

I mean, I liken it to pretty much any extra. Size benefits, but anytime you start moving better, you feel better. We had a test done with Los Angeles County Fire Department where we did a beta test during one of their full recruitments. A captain at Los Angeles County Fire Evan halquist, was in charge of the research. We had third party FMS screen was the methodology of quantifying what was happening, and foundation training at 10 minutes a day was the protocol. They did, 10 minutes a day, six days a week, for eight weeks, every recruit that class had a 90% reduction in injuries, and I believe, I don't know the exact percent, but it's in the 30s or 40s, a 30 to 40% increase in mental reported mental health, well being, and overall sense of well being. The only thing they did was 10 minutes of decompression breathing. The key element of decompression breathing is this taking the mastoid process, which is an insertion point of the SCM away from the other two insertion points, the sternum and the collarbone. When you do that and you elongate and lift those bones and take a breath, you get this very intense, rigid line of lift at the SCMs that creates major space for the suboccipital triangle, where the great occipital nerve and a lot of very important vertebrovas artery blood flow comes in. That is, my opinion, why we get that huge benefit. Because you are practicing that lift for 10 minutes straight, six days a week. That is fantastic. Thank you. And I'm happy to share that we have that research and beautiful that is part of the research that will be done at UCF, but we already have that study done. It happened about five years ago at LA County, and I'm happy to share that with you guys, if you'd like to see it or share it,

Dr. Terry Weyman:

or anything like that. Oh, absolutely. We'll have to put some of that in the video. Cool.

Unknown:

Yeah, yeah. They did a really beautiful report. And even, even the firefighter that was in charge of it, Evan, gave a, kind of a testimonial on behalf of what, what had happened over the whole course of things like, I've never you know, this is obviously what we're going to keep doing. This is pretty wild. It was a good one.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

So in retrospect, and I and thank you for talking about the feet, because we're hearing more and more about that being the foundational support to the rest of the body. Which rest of it seems like the rest of America has no clue, because they're coming out with different shoes all the time, right? And different running sneakers. Are you familiar with Dr Courtney Connolly's work, the image she, we had her on our podcast. She was also on Peter Attia. And she is, I mean, her, is she

Unknown:

noboso? Is she behind noboso?

Dr. Spencer Baron:

I don't think so. She, her, is her company? Is gate, happens. And we did a we had a podcast with her to the point where we we also had her on one of our professional football chiropractic Society programs, symposiums. And, I mean, they love her, but it takes what what you do, and it's actually kind of fascinating. She builds on the foundation of the feet, and you do the same and the rest of the body, which is even more of a bonus for people. I love what you said about the the SCM and the mastoid. That's and it's funny, because I think that people don't realize when they when they do their own type of stretching to relieve it. They're instinctively doing that, but you're putting a label on how that really works and why that's important. So I appreciate that.

Unknown:

Yeah, nothing. I mean SCM elongation and suboccipital space is clear as day, something that should be done in most people walking around,

Dr. Spencer Baron:

very cool. So self awareness, self awareness and intentional movement. You know, some of your your movements that I had observed just now, and some of what I saw in the video on your YouTube video. It's it. It reminds me of Tai Chi as being, you know, aware of body motion and but you actually put a clinical perspective on it. So how does self awareness and attentional movement Foster? You know, long term health and vitality? I You, You did mention some of that. I want you to really elaborate and hit that ball out of the hole, out of the ballpark.

Unknown:

Absolutely, I'll do my best. Number one, tai chi, Qigong. Those are there, in my opinion, those are clinical. That's a lot more clinical than taking Advil, you know, taking something, it's there. For a lot of people, it's even more clinical than going to a therapist. It's it's something that allows them this time internally, it's their version of meditation, which, in my opinion. In foundation training has for certainly, for me, become my personal meditation, and for a lot of other people, it's their their version of just checking in with themselves. What that has done for me in my personal life, and I'm I can really only speak from myself, and then what I've observed in our instructors and the people that have been doing this now with me, for I have people that have been doing this with me since 2008 so 1617, years now, is pretty much our longest test subjects. Myself included. It's kind of like having a meditation practice. As far as benefits go. People that meditate on a regular basis tend to have less pain, tend to be a little bit less reactive. They tend to have the ability to maybe say No, a little more easily to things or avoid things that potentially they feel a negative sense of, instead of going into it before that negative sense has a awareness, and then they get screwed over, or they end up screwing somebody over. What I think it does is it just gives you sort of a boundary around you. That's what self awareness is. Everybody's like, I have my bubble. Well, my bubble is I'm paying attention to what I'm doing, and if something sort of disturbs that, I'm aware of it. If something helps it, I'm aware of it. I have a wife, and we have we've been married for almost 10 years, and we've got a two and a half year old and a seven and a half year old. Sometimes we both lose our shit, especially if the kids do stealth. Awareness is not not losing it. It's recognizing that you lost it. I

Dr. Spencer Baron:

didn't expect that.

Unknown:

I'm saying like, that's what self to me, this is the benefit. This you're asking for, the lifelong benefits. These are the benefits right now, in my opinion, it's actually pretty easy to get most people out of pain if they're willing to do a little bit, yeah. And then if they do that little bit ongoing and they change their, you know, even change their diet, just include some healthy and the inflammatory stuff. Maybe reduce your processed foods a little bit. Maybe have more water, you know, things like that. That's usually enough to get most people feeling pretty good. You add walking few miles a day to that, or even like a bike ride or a jog, most people are fine. Now we talk high performers. That does get different high performers. Now, meditation is a recovery tool, and meditation is a performance and and imagery, you know, visioning tool. What's the what's what am I thinking when you go over something, when you just go over something in your head so many times that you have it down anyways, repetitive, yes, repetitive, repetitive, patterning in your head as you go through that skill is improved upon through physical meditation, through I don't do quiet meditation outside of movement, I can't really sit still very long, but in movement, I can get lost for hours and not have other thoughts outside of what is occurring and what that sensation feels like, and how I can tune it like a guitar, you know? And that has given me a very different experience in life through the it hasn't changed my life, mine. I have ups and downs, just like any ordinary person does, and I've had successes in foundation training, and I've had frustrations in foundation training, and I've had the injuries that led to it and the success that came from it. I've had both of those experiences, both poles, what the awareness and the ongoing, steady curiosity of where can I go with this whole thing that has given me a really wonderful experience of life, even when problems are going on, I'm still having overall a pretty good experience as I go through that. And that's what the self awareness has given me when my kids are going nuts and when I'm getting frustrated, I am in full awareness of what's happening, and as soon as I'm aware, I can calm it down. The second that kicks in. Oh, there it is. Got me sneaky little you know what I mean? Like, as soon as it's there, I can, okay, I can literally, physically ground in foundation training. Do this? Of course not. But do I find my feet, stabilize myself, and just kind of find my breath for a second, absolutely and if any really emergent situation occurs in life, I have that ground, and I used it before in various situations. So that's what that gives. That like the big benefit, the what's the what's the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, that's the pot of gold is the overall improved experience of life, regardless of what life's experience, what life's giving. That's the benefit. Pain Relief being a metric of that, a piece of

Dr. Spencer Baron:

that. Dr Terry. Like, did, did your, did you have, like, a mental reflex as to an old show when he said about meditation, active meditation? Active meditation? Yeah, I love that you said that because to sit there and focus on a candle burning, it's just not something like but one of our guests about what was like two years ago, yeah, yeah. She said something about, she said the same thing. And she mentioned something about, you know what, I just do active meditation. And I go, What the hell is that? Because I think I do that. I do that in the gym. I think my best thoughts. So, you know what, those listeners and viewers out there it's okay to have movement in your meditation. So thanks, Dr, Eric, for that. Yeah,

Unknown:

my my pleasure, and that's just my opinion. I mean, everybody got different, different style and need.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

I can't. I can't sit still. I've tried. I can't, but I do do movement, I feel so much better. Yeah,

Unknown:

the only time I can sit still. I can sit on a plane and do nothing, because you have to. I can just sit there and have no headphones, no book, none. Just sit there. Yeah, I don't know what it is, maybe the humming of the engines, that's the only place that I can

Dr. Terry Weyman:

do that, right? Fair enough, yeah,

Dr. Spencer Baron:

let me ask you, Dr Eric, or actually, let me have you. Let me elaborate on something you said that was really super more important than you can probably imagine. And that was you said, if, if, if, patients can just do a little bit. Now I want to the reason why I bring that up is because they think taking an Advil Aleve Motrin or Ibuprofen is a little bit, and then they just pop a pill and sit back. But you're talking about maybe a subtle lifestyle change, a movement, a different food or diet menu or something like that. But would you mind now? I like that you're standing up and you're physical. Can you show us what a little bit in the sense of what are the most basic, I think you started to show us one of the most basic moves in foundation training. And what would something very difficult? Because I want to challenge the audience to try something, oh, oh, my God. I want to

Unknown:

make sure you can see me as I'm

Dr. Spencer Baron:

moving. Yeah.

Unknown:

So I'll give you, I'm going to give you the fundamental Can you see my feet

Dr. Terry Weyman:

back up a little? Yeah, there you go. There you go. There you go.

Unknown:

Okay, so fundamental movement, hip hinge. There's a couple changes we make in the founder. We make sure that the outside edges of the feet are aiming inward. Heel pressure. Ball joint at the small toe, ball joint at the big toe. Those three points of contact are like the primary features of foundation training, heel pressure. Ball joint at the small toe, ball joint at the big toe, like tripods on each foot that rotates everything in so we just got this little bit of internal circumduction. We're starting from there, chin back, chest up, elevating the occiput, and we're just going to draw the hips and hands away from each other, subtle knee bend, knees behind the heels, hips behind the hands. You're just pulling everything back and not extending up, having a big upward back, big broad access point. That's a very basic, very fundamental, posterior chain, integration, hip hinge. We call it a founder because of a couple small changes we've made that really identify with pelvic anchoring and decompression, breathing to foundation training, a very challenging position. I'll give you two, one on a split stance, and then one, what we call a compound movement, which is a gorilla lift. There you go. Spencer, can you see? Can you more or less see both feet? Yeah. Okay, so in the gorilla lifts, my legs are very wide, double my shoulder width, right now, it's one of three movements in foundation training, where, because there's a squat involved, we have the feet turned out just a little bit, allowing that knee flexion to occur, and then the movement is hips and hands away from each other, same kind of hip hinge as the hips come back down, the hands just dust the floor in front of me, my hips pull back. My thoracic spine expands as my arm reaches up and supinates, my knees push apart and my hips pull away from me like I'm throwing something, you know, like a gorilla throwing poop. Left arm supinates, hips go back. At any point, my posterior chain is doing all the work, and it's a thoracic mobility exercise done with all of these principles at play.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

Spencer does that all day long. That's how he eats. Yeah, exactly. And. This is all. He's only he's only five four, and he's built like a gorilla, so that's how he eats and throws his food to his family,

Dr. Spencer Baron:

ever since they let me out of the zoo. Yeah,

Unknown:

Jesse, Jesse, who run, who owns foundation training with me, he's like the right hand guide. He teaches all of our courses. He's the main teacher in foundation training. He's strong as an ox. Trains all kinds of professional athletes. We always make fun of him because he's shorter than me, but he's got this great picture of him in a gorilla lift with an apple in his mouth just looking up like that. It's pretty great. I mean, it does fit the bill

Dr. Spencer Baron:

really well. Perfect. So, Dr, Eric, you said, How many, how many movements are there, or how many that you showed us two and the is there stages and

Unknown:

yes, in level. So I'll go by our courses, initially our level one foundation training. Instructor Course goes through 15 poses and teaches the principles of anchoring and decompression in each pose. Those are used for what I would consider like common injury patterns, common chronic pains, common strengths. From there, we have level two, which I'll show you a version of in a moment, which is all rotational and spiraling, if you understand kind of like the spiral chains and muscle chains, the spiraling facet, the idea that the body doesn't really move forward to backward, but in these kind of rotational tensions and spirals throughout of it, throughout it. That's what our level two, another 15 or so exercises does. Every one of those exercises uses sort of this contralateral one leg to opposite lat to opposite levator to opposite SCM type range of motion, an example of that I'll do my Archer and reverse Archer movements. Sorry, so an archer I'll show you from my open position. Here is my sort of my answer to how the hips should guide the legs and the torso and also the shoulders, be it a throwing motion, a swinging motion, punching motion, or just stability of being a human being. Okay, you guys can see my feet here, right? Mm, hmm, yep. So my right leg is forward. I'm very even between my feet, 5050, my left thumb is tracing, and I say tracing because it's not going to leave my body. My left thumb as my left hip pulls back, my left thumb is going to get dragged along my body to the opposite PEC from here, I'm going to elongate my SCM muscles with my skull, squeeze my legs at each other like I'm closing a pair of scissors. And then I'm going to come back to center again from the hip, allowing the hand just to get momentum. So I'm dragging closer. If I wanted to take that into our reverse Archer, I'm going to load my right IT band. So I'll show you guys that same position, facing the other way, but my right leg still forward. I'm going to load this in a hip hinge. So now I'm like 8020 80% of my front leg, 20% of my back leg. I'm going to allow this little cantilever left hip rotating subtly to the right femur. My arms are once again, ahead of me, and I'm going to trace my right arm, this time elongating my left lat and right IT band as I draw my elbows away, and again, lift the occiput. So that's the reverse Archer. Those would be considered level two version exercises.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

How the hell did you come all to I'm absolutely fascinated. It's so the architecture of the movements and the and the positions, and it's very creative. Well, that's what we think is for you. So that's cool, all right. Well,

Unknown:

it is. I mean, I used to be so fucking scared to tell my whole story of how I came up with this, because I thought it was like mess up my career or ruin this or that. Then I wrote a book, my most recent book, which came out in 2022 called Foundations of health, is all about how the endogenous cannabinoid system in collective, collaborative work with exercise, healthy diet, all these things, foundation training can really be this autoimmune and chronic pain recipe for not only improvement, but like, major health and success through those problems. So yeah, I'm a big believer. But I also think, like anything, you can abuse it and be stupid with it. So use it well, make sure you do your training

Dr. Terry Weyman:

absolutely no. Don't ever be ashamed to tell your story, because we're fascinated by your story, and that's what this show is all about. Oh yeah, thank you all the people that think outside the old adage, think outside the box, which is a cliche, but it's it is true because it's. Like, if the box just doesn't help people. So thank you.

Unknown:

No, stay inside the box. You get those results, plain and simple, and you stay safe, but you don't get better necessarily. You know, you guys spoke about Tim Brown. Tim Brown has all these amazing ideas and theories that he can sometimes put into like a one liner, and he said the other day, just be more focused on outcomes than income. And that's kind of like it. To be more focused on the outcome is to go through these processes, like, what I'm going through, what I absolutely refuse to not get better personally, not like from some esoteric 1% today, thing like, No, I'm not going to be in a fucking wheelchair. I'm going to live my life. This is my opportunity to do well. I'm a very physical person. I want to be able to play with my kids for the rest of their life, or my life at minimum, you know. But I mean, like, play with them for the rest of my adult life. I want to bait make sure that life to the best of my ability, minus stuff outside of my control, is is just as comfortable as I can be. And to get there, I had to go through a lot of uncomfortable stuff, but the outcome is so good. And from a patient standpoint, when the patient is willing to do this little bit of uncomfortable effort, things like Advil and Tylenol and opioids, that is something that is so far away in their wake of consideration, because they've experienced the benefits. They've gotten it, they they don't hear about it, they've done it, and like, oh shit, I feel better. I don't need that stuff. And it changes their whole world perspective. I tell people this on a very regular basis at every course I teach, at every lecture I give our competition and foundation training is not other trainers or other doctors or anything like that. Our competition is over the counter pain medicines and opiates. That's who we're that's who we're up against, nobody else, everything else we're trying to make better and improve the outcomes with, but our direct competitor is the easy route to dissociative pain relief, because that's, that's the mismatch. That's where people really screw their lives up.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Well, you're definitely on the right track, especially in this era where things are going to change dramatically. So

Unknown:

I believe that. I believe we're, I mean, look, we're, we're at a really wild political moment, no matter anybody's beliefs, things are changing right now, and my my biggest hope is one of the outcomes of these changes is a healthier society

Dr. Terry Weyman:

with I had a conversation yesterday going, I don't care what you think about let's just take RFK. I don't care what you think about. RFK, the fact that we're actually talking about food, we're doing stuff talking about a sea of sound, the fact that we're talking about psychedelics, with the fact that we're talking about this, that's huge. We have

Unknown:

the beginning of relations. Our country has never had a health Renaissance, and that's the kind of Renaissance we need. We don't need a political Renaissance. We need. We need a fuck your politics. Let's Get Healthy, because everybody's decision making improves

Dr. Spencer Baron:

them. With that, with that said, let me ask you about your your perspective on your future with foundation training, and what you're particularly excited about to see. I You're You're obviously constantly evolving. Where's that evolution going?

Unknown:

We are so from a business standpoint, meaning, like the outward what you what the world sees, of foundation training, we're always trying to improve upon that. We're actually developing a custom platform right now that will make the overall app experience for our users not only better, but really, really intelligent, and something that will just hand them their video that day, each day they wake up, boom, here's what you're doing today based on your injury pattern, your responses, what you told us you need. So we're working on that, something that can also allow our we've got a really solid instructor base. Again, got 1500 instructors in like 3540 countries, and we're always trying to connect them. So this new platform will have a connection element with them and patients as well. Again, from a business standpoint, from a intellectual standpoint, I'm really steadily trying to create right now. Hope I don't get in trouble for this. These are not publicly known yet. This is something I've been working on for three years, and it's coming to market this summer. I'm actually not going to put the name out, just in case I do get in trouble. We were talking about things happening at the feet. What could happen? How you could make changes? We basically developed a wearable insole. It's like a compression sock, where it activates and elongates and expands the foot bed and the arch supports the arch rotates the tibia the accurate way, allows improved dorsiflexion of both the toes and of the ankles, and it's very, very comfortable. So these are going to be coming out in about two months, and we'll we're putting a pretty solid marketing effort behind them, so that's going to be one of the big uses, you know, trying to create fixes for people that make it fun. And pleasant and part of their life, not something in addition to it. And then this, this study that we're doing at UCF, University of Central Florida, School of Physical Therapy, that's the thing, I think I'm honestly, from a professional standpoint, the most excited for, yeah, I mean, that's like, that's something I've been hoping for for 15, you know, for 10 years now, is to get actual research on this. Yeah, so just trying. I've been doing the same thing since, oh, eight, trying to get better and better at it. You know, I'm a big sweaty mess when I teach, but I love doing it, and it's just all the passion and love for it coming through. So I look forward to teaching more, and got a certification at the end of June in San Diego, if any of these, any young docs or young therapists or anything you want to really interesting additional perspective to what you do come through a foundation training course. It's, it's solid. We do only one or two courses a year, and this June course is going to be the last one of 2025, because of other, you know, we're building the app. We're doing these other things for the instructor community. We don't want the instructor community growing fast. We want it to be very thorough. We want everybody to have a great experience. We want everybody with problematic patients to be able to reach out to us and get help with them. So, you know, going to keep on teaching. I'm doing a Tim Brown has an event. The sprt has an event in Newport Beach in mid June, I'll be out there lecturing with some of those guys as well. So keep on teaching, man, keep on sharing foundation training.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

So good we I definitely think that a connection with Courtney Conley would manifest what your goals are, and would really make it solid, because she's got quite a good following, and she's, I would love that. She's a brilliant gal. All right, we're going to enter our rapid fire questions, which is the final stage of our podcast, which I think you're going to do pretty good. You got to think quick on your feet. I got five questions for you that have nothing to do with nothing except you personally. If you're ready, I'm throwing out number one. You ready? All right. Dr, Goodman, if you could have a dinner party with one historical figure, who would you choose, and what would you serve for dinner? That's the quietest ever heard this guy. I much,

Unknown:

probably a little bit cliche, but I'd want to talk with Gandhi. I would want to understand rebellion from his perspective. And I would probably serve, like really hot wings to just kind of test both of our serotonin and reaction, and kind of make it a little bit more playful. I bit more

Dr. Spencer Baron:

playful. That's hilarious, yeah, definitely

Unknown:

share a joint with him, yeah,

Dr. Terry Weyman:

smoking weed with Gandhi and having hot wings. You know, I would never pick that one up.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

That that is historic in itself.

Unknown:

That's why I got I got grandiose visions.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

I have a feeling he definitely smoked weed that or psilocybin. One of the two is rocked. I

Unknown:

want to understand his resistance, because I think if enough people in the in the health field got together, there could genuinely be, like a really interesting, really peaceful, healthful renaissance in this country. So I would just, I would love to understand his perspective on resistance. Love it,

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Eric, I gotta tell you your moment of silence really brewed up a fantastic answer. I'm thinking, Did I stump him on the first question? No, you came back for the one two punch knockout. That was great. All right. Good question. Good question number two, what's a common misconception about posture or movement that you wish everyone would stop believing?

Unknown:

Stop squeezing your shoulder blades together ever that's it. Just stop squeezing your shoulder blades together ever that nothing else. Because the main issue in posture is the 12 joints of a thoracic curve not doing their absorptive role and not allowing the bucket handle range of motion of the rib cage to facilitate big back rib cage inflation, big back lung volume inflation. Most of the lung is behind us, not in front of us. If we're squeezing the shoulder blades together, we're literally stopping. We're asking our lungs to breathe ahead of us. But that's not where the lungs breathe. They breathe behind us, plain and simple, the more you breathe into the back of your lungs, the more the buoyancy under the clavicles and under the shoulder joints occurs, and it's that buoyancy lifting the shoulders that allows the traps to relax. If there's no buoyancy underneath the shoulders, the shoulders are being supported by the traps and the neck muscles, they need that buoyancy underneath from breathing, from that thoracic spine. So don't squeeze your shoulder blades together. Wow.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Love I love that. I'm not going to use thinking out of the box. I'm going to use thinking out of the brain. He definitely thought out of the brain, out of the skull. That's correct. Man, it's

Unknown:

honestly just from seeing a lot of lower back injuries happen because of an inability to transfer force through the thoracic spine. And a lot of people try to fix that with these straps that pull them open. And it's like that, nope. Don't do that. Don't do that. We need those 12 we can make the most change at those 12 joints, much more than seven or five above or below.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

All right. This next question, number three, is going to build you up and take you down, all at the same time you ready? We hear you are a top level surfer and foil Master.

Unknown:

No, tell.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Tell us about the time you almost killed your friend Tim Brown in Ville, Zealand, Hawaii, on a foil

Unknown:

that that part's true. Yeah, that part's true. I suck at foiling, which is why this happened. So to be clear, I can surf enough to drop in on a wave and have a little fun. Tim's a very good surfer. We have a very dear friend, Pete, out in bells land, who I was introduced to via Tim. Tim calls me up. He's like, hey, come meet me over at Pete's. We're gonna go surfing. He brings out foil boards we paddle out to actually not bellsy land, but a little a little inside break, which is much more manageable. And yeah, we just, you know, the foil boards are basically swords in the water. And, you know, you put a big guy like me with minimal skill on top of one of those, and that's, that's a dangerous thing. And yeah, I can vividly remember dropping in our wave as I'm falling, seeing timing back out, he's my mentor. And they say, you know, kill the ones you love. I've had some really I've had some fun, really fun experience with Tim. Of all the relationships in the chiropractic field that I'm grateful for Tim Brown tops that list. He's at the very peak of that pyramid.

Dr. Terry Weyman:

100% told me that he drops his wave and you crash, and he looked up and sees this foil coming right down on

Unknown:

I believe it. I believe keeping him on his toes. I mean, I've been surfing a while, but I've missed foiling. Granted, at this stage, I can pop up on a foil but that's about it. That is a very strange maneuver to learn the first few times. And everything that you learn in surfing is the, not the opposite, but sort of the opposite in foiling, because all of your weight distribution is literally on the on the other foot, and that just takes a really long time. I'm still terrible at it, but one of the things in my lifetime I hope to at least get good at is spoiling because it's so interesting

Dr. Spencer Baron:

that's outstanding. I just saw a really cool video

Unknown:

Tim rips. By the way, Tim is an excellent surfer. Tim is like Tim surfs well, for if he was in his 40s or 30s, and he's in his late 60s, surfing. Great, wow, yeah, that's cool.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

All right, I need you to share a movement fail, something, some moment from your early days that you taught, that taught you a valuable lesson. Already laughing. That's great.

Unknown:

This is so embarrassing. And the I mean, this is so clearly the thing that taught me this. So decompression, breathing is a breathing exercise, and sometimes you get lightheaded when you're doing like an expanded breathing exercise. I have no question about it going, Yeah, luckily, early in my career, I got invited to go speak at the Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs to over 100 international swim synchronized swim and water polo coaches from around the world, all of whom flew in to mile high Colorado Springs. My 8am lecture starts like I very often wouldn't granted. This is like 2013 28 this is early on. You know, this is a long time ago. I have everybody stand up and we just start my basics. Man, thumbs at the rib cage. Pink is at the pelvis, for a measuring stick that shows how much space you have at the abdomen. Breathe in through the nose, and you're actively lifting the ribs away from the pelvis, feeling that space we get two breaths in, and I just hear crash. One of the coaches passed right out, gone, knocked out. Paramedics on the way, split her head open, gets taken out in the stretcher. Don't number one, ask people if they've eaten first before you do exercise. Number two, never start with breath work that's intense. Always start with breath work that's calming and then slow. Holy, ramp up. And number three, don't do decompression, breathing standing until you've done it, seated or on the ground if you've never done it before. Oh, my God. And those are the lessons I learned over that. And number

Dr. Terry Weyman:

four, be careful when you're at altitude. Yeah.

Unknown:

Altitude, yeah. And I just, it's never happened since that was and I, you know, I'm 12 years into my career since then with, legitimately, I don't know how to quantify it, but, but multiple 1000s of students and people I've worked with and talked to and lectured to, and that was the one time that it has occurred. And I really have changed how I teach from then on. It scared the crap out of me. I felt so bad. Everybody was cool about it. They understood it was just something that could happen, but that that that was, you know, that was a ding in my credibility at the Olympic training center for a while. You know what I mean? Like, it was just like, Oh, this guy came in to help people, and somebody passes out five minutes into his lecture. Oops.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

All right, last question, question number five, outside, outside of foundation training. What's a hobby or activity that brings you a whole lot of joy and keeps you

Unknown:

grounded. That's, I mean, that's surfing. Honestly, I love being in the mountains. I like doing anything in the mountains. I like playing guitar. I like doing all that. But nothing gives me what surfing gives me, which is a lot of just pure bliss and stress relief and pure fun, something I really want to go do that I'm really excited to look forward to when I get the chance to So, yeah, I mean, there's a lot of other things. I love my kids, I love my wife. I love lots of other stuff. But from a pure joy, pure hobby standpoint, I just want to go somewhere where I can go surfing. Super beautiful.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

Dr, Eric Goodman, thank you so much. I really appreciate you. Gave us some real, cool fundamental tasks allow us to thinking out of the brain, right? Dr, Terry, and I have a very good feeling about your future with foundation health training, because it seems really like a viable approach to long term health.

Unknown:

Thank you. Thank you so much. That means a lot. I really appreciate that you were working really hard. You bet

Dr. Terry Weyman:

we're gonna, we're and we're gonna make sure the world hears about you even more than it's our we can't match 10 million views, but we're gonna sure do our best to get your your words heard, and the audience maybe is hasn't heard it before. So thank you so much for your time, man. Thanks guys.

Dr. Spencer Baron:

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