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She Said No to Chemo...and Beat Cancer Her Way - Barb Moylan
Imagine hearing from your doctors, "chemotherapy is your only option," and boldly choosing your own path instead. Barb Moylan didn't just survive breast cancer—she challenged conventional medicine and transformed her diagnosis into an empowering journey of holistic healing, self-discovery, and resilience.
In this extraordinary episode of the Crackin' Backs Podcast, we're stepping away from familiar narratives and diving deeper into the lesser-explored dimensions of Barb's experience. Discover how Barb navigated intense financial burdens and systemic healthcare obstacles to pursue groundbreaking alternative treatments—ranging from high-dose IV vitamin C, red-light therapy, hyperbaric oxygen chambers, to precision nutritional protocols.
But beyond the innovative therapies and courageous self-advocacy lies Barb, the human. Who is she apart from the "cancer warrior" identity? What hidden struggles and vulnerable moments shaped her emotional resilience? How did her relationships and personal life evolve through the turbulent journey of illness and recovery?
Join us as Barb shares candid reflections and unprecedented insights, revealing emotional lows, unexpected self-discoveries, and her passionate vision for the future of patient empowerment and healthcare reform. Prepare for a conversation unlike any other, designed to inspire healthcare professionals, survivors, caregivers, and anyone seeking authentic stories of courage, vulnerability, and transformative hope.
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- Website: Beating Cancer My Way
- Instagram: @barb.moylan
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Imagine being told chemotherapy is your only chance and having the courage to say, no, I'll find my own way. Barbara Moylan didn't just beat cancer. She rewrote the playbook on survival, but today we're going to dig deeper, beyond the treatments, beyond the protocols, and into the territory rarely touched. Who is Barbara Moylan when she's not being a warrior? Prepare yourself, because this conversation might challenge everything you thought you knew about health, healing and the extraordinary power of taking control. Good day. Barbara Moreland, Moreland, sorry, did I say that? Right? Moylan, yeah, right. All right, yep. Hey, it's great to have you on our cracking backs podcast. Thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome. You know little history behind you that is most fascinating is that you've been a longtime fitness professional and nutrition coach. You know, you experienced this incredible shock of being diagnosed with aggressive breast cancer, not just breast cancer, aggressive breast cancer and the healthy lifestyle lead caused you to really be, you know, more jolted than the average person. And what's more fascinating is, I can't wait to hear your story of why and how you decided to reject chemotherapy, which is is profound, especially in this in this era of healthcare so in and you opted for a an unconventional, holistic approach to healing, and that itself is fascinating. So I would love to dive into, you know, your you know, deeper into your current fears and some that you had or still have, and what it's like to find a method of healing. You know, costs behind all this. And you know, because insurance didn't take care of unconventional medicine and your future vision. So let's start by the the one comment that that sticks out the most, and that is it, with all that you did all your life, it felt like a betrayal of my body. Talk about that
Unknown:well being in the fitness industry for 34 years, I started when I was 18. I'm 52 now, and I have, you know, given my life to helping others be healthier, and obviously myself included. And so, you know, never living a perfect life, but always working out, always eating clean, you know, taking really good care of myself. And so last May year ago, when I got that diagnosis, I was shocked. I was shocked. I was pissed. I was confused. I was, I mean, all the emotions you could possibly think of, because I was like, Wait a minute. You know, I'm that person that has committed to doing the right things. And yeah, so it was, I mean, it was a, really, it was a punch in the face. I felt like somebody punched me in the face and just ripped out my soul and said, you know. And so it was, it was, it was a shocker,
Dr. Spencer Baron:well, and then go ahead, when, after you started to settle, go ahead,
Barbara Moylan:yeah. And I mean, and it was a shocker to everybody around me, you know, I still, I teach fitness, and I teach lifting, and at all of my clients, anybody that knows me, was like, wait a minute, you got breast cancer? Like, if you got breast cancer, what the hell? What is in store for the rest of us? So it was, it was a big pill to swallow, for sure,
Dr. Spencer Baron:yeah. What about the chemotherapy? How did you dodge that one?
Unknown:So right out of the gate, it was, you have aggressive and spreadable breast cancer. It was stage one, which I was like, Oh, it's just stage one, right? But it was triple positive and hers two positive. So it was estrogen dominant, progesterone dominant, and then hers two positive. So that's the triple positive and the HERS two positive changes the game like it it? That's what makes it aggressive and spreadable. So immediately the fear factor was brought into the mix. Was, you know, we've got to do aggressive chemo. We got to get after this. We've got to blast it, and you know, otherwise it's going to spread to the rest of your body. And I was like, Well, wait a minute, how? How did, how did I get breast cancer? And nobody could answer that question. And that really bothered me, because I wanted to know why, and because if I got here somehow, then in my mind, then I could almost reverse engineer it right, and figure out, you know, there was a cause. So if I go after the cause, then I could heal myself. But they were like, you know, you have to do chemo. They I had three tumors in my right breast, and I did want the surgery at the time I wanted, I wanted it out. I was just like, Get this shit out of me. Okay, and excuse me, I opted for a double mastectomy because I was like, Okay, if it's aggressive and it's spreadable, just take them both, because I don't want to deal with that. So between diagnosis and surgery, I had nine weeks, and they wanted me to do six rounds of chemo prior to surgery, because it was five meters, five centimeters wide, and in order to get good margins and get a clear, you know, get it out with clear margins, it needed to be four centimeters or less. So they wanted me to do six rounds of chemo. And I first thing I did was like, Look, I need, I need everybody to pump the brakes like, you know, it didn't pop up overnight. So I don't need to make a decision overnight. I really need to bless you, thank you. I really need to sit like, take a step back, and I want to know what all my options are, not just this is your only option, and that's what they were telling me, if you don't do this, your chances of survival are not good. So I was like, I don't believe that. Like, let me go find out what else is out there. So you know, I didn't take a lot of time to do that, but the way that I grew up, I come from a holistic background, and just nothing about chemo and what I know about the human body made sense to me. I was like, I'm in. I'm a healthy, fit, 52 year old woman going in and blasting my system with poison and then putting me under a knife under anesthesia. It that doesn't make sense, so I told him, No, I'm not I'm not doing the chemo. And right around in that time, I have a client that is a compound pharmacist. She came to me, and we've never had a conversation outside of training before, and she said, Look, I know how you are. I have some information for you, if you're just willing to read it. I have research, I have studies. Just read this packet of information, and if you want to throw it in the in the trash, I will not be offended, but I think there's going to be some stuff in there that will spark your interest. And it was about fenbendazole, ivermectin, high dose vitamin C, red light therapy, hyperbaric, infrared sauna, genetic testing. And I dug into it, and I was like, that makes sense to me. So, yeah, great, yeah. So I had nine between. I had that nine weeks, right? And, you know, I'm a gut health and nutrition coach, and so I went after my nutrition. I utilized the compound pharmacist to help me put together a targeted supplement plan, and got on the fenben, got on the ivermectin, started taking high dose melatonin, which is another cancer killer, methylene blue. I mean, I threw the kitchen sink at it. I was getting 50 gram high dose vitamin C drips 90 minutes in hyperbaric after and in nine weeks, I shrunk the space of five centimeters to 3.2 when they took it out of me, they were like, oh, it's not as big as we thought. And I'm like, Yep, yeah. Yeah. And they were like, I go, huh? Imagine that. So I didn't need chemo, right? And I'm a just, so you both know I'm a little sassy, yeah, I love it. But I said, Oh, I didn't need chemo, did I? And they, you know what they said to me, Oh, we must have measured it wrong. And I go, Oh, is that something you often do? Can you imagine, yeah, yeah. So then when, when that came out, and I had shrunk it, I was like, oh, yeah, it's on. It is on bitches. Let's go. And so a month after my surgeries, I had two surgeries. I had to go back for my treatment plan. Now I had shrunk the mass. I contained it. It did not go into my lymph, so no lymph. It didn't cross the lymph barrier. And so, you know, I was like, I did a good job. All right. Now I was expecting a totally different treatment plan, and they still stage one, no length. Wanted me to do 12 rounds of chemo, 15 rounds of Herceptin, and five years of tamoxifen. And I was like, I walked into that meeting with 32 questions. I was ready. Man, I she did not know what to do with me because I was prepared. She was not prepared for me. And, you know, I just started blasting her with question, you know, not being an asshole, but you know the what are the long term and short term effects? And she downplayed it, and I'm like, I know. I know, because I did my research. And I was like, No, I'm not signing up for that. I'm not going to sign up to to wreck my immune system, to devastate my liver, the cardiovascular disease, the osteoporosis, the onset of menopause. The list. I mean, the list was so long, and I was like, I want to give it a shot my way, because clearly what I'm doing is working. So why not? Why not try and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong,
Dr. Spencer Baron:so I am so first of all, Terry, does she have a personality like Erin Brockovich, oh yeah, yeah. We interviewed Aaron twice. And you, if I close my eyes, you have the same attitude about about oh yeah, mainstream bullshit compared to, you know what they and then secondly, we interviewed Dr Lindsay Berkson that she spawned an idea because she is a functional medicine doctor that also, you know, lived a life, a healthy lifestyle, from childhood, and couldn't she's 76 and I urge you to we'll send you the podcast from her. She went and couldn't understand why she had cancers, not just breast, like, what was a uterine Terry, all sorts of cancer. And she goes, what? How is this possible that, you know, I lived such a healthy lifestyle? She went and requested the birth records. Now she's 76 the birth records and found that she was a D, E, S baby, a Diethylstilbestrol baby, and they banned that drug off the wire and look, and that gave her the answers as to why she so she had to deal with stuff that before birth. Can you imagine? Wow, yeah. So when you tell talk about, you know, wondering why you as the epitome of health and wellness. It may not have been you.
Unknown:Well, I was like, All right, I'm, I am gonna go after the root cause. Okay, I got here somehow, and I'm gonna figure it out. So I started doing testing, and none of the testing like I I've got triple positive hormone driven breast cancer. And I asked, When are we going to test my hormones? And they said, Oh, we're not, because it's not going to change your treatment plan. I go, I don't give a shit about my treatment plan. I want to know why. And they're like, nah. Like, they blew me off. So I was like, All right, well, I'm gonna, I'll go get my own damn test. So I the first thing I did was a methylation detox pathway test. And I think every breathing human should get this test, because it is the five genes that are involved in your ability to. Metabolize and methylate toxicity, toxins. And three out of five of my five genes I was born with are suboptimal, so right there, since I was born, and the environment that we live in, and the toxicity level of our current, you know, our current state is high, right? So the toxins were building up and building up. And it wasn't until about three years ago that I really dug into the personal care like I got the app and I started scanning and I changed all my lotions, I changed all my cosmetics, my shampoo, my deodorant, my cleaning project products. I did that three years ago, so I was already kind of heading in that direction. But unfortunately, it was too late. But if I would have known about this test 10 years ago, I would have known. Okay, Barb, you don't process toxins properly. You need additional support in this area. I could have been supplementing differently. I could have been not wasting my money on supplements that I wasn't even absorbing. I could have been eating differently, because there's a there's foods you want to eat and there's foods you want to avoid, supplements to take, supplements not to take. So right there, one of the reasons, another reason, I had had my blood tested for hormones for years, and oh, your hormones are fine. Oh, your hormones are fine. Well, they were doing a blood test, and a blood test doesn't tell you, shit, urine metabolite test or Dutch test. As soon as I went through life extension in Fort Lauderdale, and I got a urine metabolite test, and there it was. I have an estrogen, estradiol that's off that particular estradiol and the ratio was causing DNA damage. So anywhere that estrogen goes in my body, it's gonna damage my DNA. Now I no longer have breast tissue, but if I don't handle that estrogen, it's still in my body. It's still not regulated properly, it's going to land somewhere else, and it's going to cause DNA damage and cause cancer in my uterus or in my throat or in my, you know, lymph nodes or in my chest or wherever. So, you know, that was a miss from the medical department is like, you know, I found it now I'm taking nutraceuticals, dim, dim, to up regulate or down regulate it because it was high. So I'm trying to down regulate that estrogen, get it where it needs to be, so I don't have to worry about that damn thing causing trouble elsewhere in my body. The current medical model doesn't give a shit about that. It's about treatment, not about prevention or the why? Well, then, yeah. Then I did extensive DNA testing, again out of my own pocket. And Brooke, my compound pharmacist, she became a clinician for this company, and she now reads the DNA. And I found out through this DNA that, again, I was born with sub optimal mitochondria function, so my mitochondria does not work at a high level either. So guess what? Now I'm going after my mitochondria. So the superhuman protocol with PMF mat and oxygen exercise with oxygen training and red light therapy methylene blue, all of that works together, and proper supplementation is working together to help support and rebuild my mitochondria. So, yeah,
Dr. Spencer Baron:so you must have spent a fortune on So, I mean, so I know that some of these tests are very excellent, because I've done some. They're They're pricey, yeah, yeah.
Unknown:Well, and to your point in the beginning of the podcast is, you know, none of this is covered by insurance. I mean, I'm so grateful. You know, I worked for Orangetheory for 12 years, and I have been with a company that I'm with just lift now for three years and just lift did a fundraiser for me and I, and then Orangetheory did a fundraiser. So last summer, they raised almost $40,000 which was a huge
Dr. Spencer Baron:great idea. Was
Unknown:a huge help, and that lasted. Me Up until about December with the surgeries, missing work with you know, I spend $780 a month on supplements. Yeah, and my treatments are at least two grand a month. So, you know, I'm looking at two to 3000 extra dollars a month on top of my living expenses that insurance doesn't cover. And it's so sad, because I priced it out. I went to the American Cancer Society, and I said, Okay, with 12 rounds of chemo, 15 rounds of Herceptin and five years tamoxifen. What would that cost? And it came out, the estimation was 103 to$147,000 and then I priced out my two year journey because, you know, to heal yourself from the inside out. It's not a three month thing. You know, it takes time to heal yourself. So I put myself on a two year journey, and I priced it all out. What is everything gonna cost? And it came out to $86,000 so what I'm doing costs less, and I'm not destroying my body and setting myself up for long term. You know, I was never a customer of modern medicine. I always have. I've stayed out of hospitals. I've stayed out of doctor's offices because of my choices, and I was not going to become a lifelong customer by buying into the chemo thing. It just and I like to say I am living proof that there is another way
Dr. Terry Weyman:I kind of skip to something. I want to dive in a little deeper. And, you know, both Spencer and I are cash practices and and I've always looked at, you know, insurance was for your car and your home don't cover catastrophes. They cover, I mean, they could have covered catastrophes, not the maintenance, but your insurance. You were going after a catastrophe that wasn't current by insurance, right? So you choose a healing path that wasn't covered by insurance at all, which is, I think, a broken part of our healthcare system. Totally there they want to pay for chemo, and they want which would be covered in fall, you would be covered. But I was how has this financial strain affected you and your family, and how did that affect the psyche of you and your family, which we know, if we're not mentally strong, it's hard to handle a disease. So this more than just paying 2000 $3,000 a month. We have a mental component as well the stress and the strain and and more broadly, the thoughts and how patients who maybe can't afford it and are shoved into destruction to pursue alternative medicines, which you just proved work. Can you go a little deeper into what your thoughts on, on the the emotional strain, the financial strain, and for these people that think that they had no choice, because this is covered by insurance, this is not so I'm gonna choose the poison route. Can you, can we dive a little deeper into that well,
Unknown:and you know, just, you know, making the decision alone is hard, okay? And I didn't, you know, I didn't take it lightly. I really thought it through. And, you know, at the end of the day, I said to myself, you know when, when I am on my deathbed, when I'm 100 I want to look back and I want to be proud of the decision that I made, and I want it, I want to, I want to do things on my terms, not make decisions out of fear or out of financial strain or, you know, be be told what to do. It's just not my it's not my nature in general. But, you know, there was a lot of fear in the beginning. And I was like, you know, what if I'm wrong? What if I'm wrong? But you know, I also said, Well, if I'm wrong, I still got chemo as an option, like they were selling it to me as if it were my only option. And I was like, I want it to be my last resort, not my only option. So you know, to answer your question, you know, yeah, I mean, so many great. Things have come out of this, but the one thing that just looms over me constantly is the money. Is, you know, how am I going to pay for this? And I am so fortunate that all of the giving that I have done in my career of just pouring my heart and soul into helping others. I really feel has come back to me 100 fold, 10, a million fold. And, you know, I have a GoFundMe. I started a GoFundMe in in January. And the, you know, the goal to get to where I needed to be, it's hefty, and it's, you know, it's, it's snails crawl, but, yeah, I mean, I've had to take out loans. I've had to borrow money from my family, you know. And, and if, if that wasn't in the background, you know, it would alleviate a lot of the stress. And, you know, stress is not good when you're trying to heal. But I've really had to put things into perspective and say, Look, you know, my job is, is to heal this body, and I am not gonna worry like I can't worry about it. I have to put all my faith into my decision. And, you know, I wake up every morning and I pray. I mean, I can't. I became real, real religious real quick. And I say, Please, God, you know, get me through this day, and just show me the strength that I need to get to treatment, to get my workouts in, to do all the nutrition, do all the juicing, do all the stuff like, do it like, and pray that the money shows up in the account and And I do that every day. And so far, we're I, we're there, but I still have a long road ahead of me. And you know, I'm so grateful for the people you know that follow my story. I mean, I made it public. I was like, All right, if I'm going to do this, I'm going to share it, because I want other people to know I'm going to be honest, I'm going to be forthcoming, I'm not going to sugarcoat anything. And I want people to see, you know, the struggle, and you know, I'm a very independent I've never been married, I've always taken care of myself. I live alone, and you know, it's very hard for me to ask for help, and I that's part of the lesson for me in this whole thing, in this journey, is, you know, I've, I've had to swallow my pride and ask for help, and it's all here, man, my mindset is so strong, and That's one thing I'm really proud of is, you know, people say to me all the time like, I'm so sorry, and I'm like, fuck, I'm not like, this has been the greatest thing that ever happened to me. Like, I thought I knew health and, man, I just went to, like, orbit speed, to another level that I never knew existed, and I am so proud and happy to be here, because without all this popping off, I would have never got to experience what I'm capable of, the level of discipline, the level of self love, the level of, you know, digging in and, you know, being convicted and and following through like I'm, I never knew I had that much in me, but I know now.
Dr. Terry Weyman:So, you know, you just mentioned a little bit ago that you're, you question, what happens if my approach doesn't work, right? And you start self doubt, yet, you prayed, you meditated, you always were positive. You're talking like you're doing. But we also know as human beings that it's important to acknowledge that nothing's No, Journey is 100% positive, right? And so I think it's important for for us to hear how did you cope with the tough days and what did you learn about yourself in those moments? Because a lot of time on interviews and movies and shows, we always see the positive stuff and they and they just kind of skip over the dark days, you know. But it's a dark days that will either make you or break you. Can you talk a little bit about the tough days and how you coped, so
Unknown:the first five days were the darkest that I had probably the biggest pity party for myself. And I remember looking in the mirror and I didn't even recognize. Myself, and I was like, that's when I you know, I looked broken, I felt broken, and that didn't sit well with me, and I made a decision that moment, that day, that I wasn't going to let this break me and I'm gonna do the work. I'm gonna show up tired, I'm gonna show up scared, I'm gonna show up be fearful. Show up broke, I'm gonna just show up. And it's not gonna be pretty. It's not, you know it, I gotta just take it day by day. And I really just dug into, you know, daily affirmations and the meditation and just, you know, asking for strength, like when, when I would wake up and just be like, God damn, I don't want to do this again today, like I'm tired, and I would just put it I put it out. It like I needed. I need still to this day. It's not a past tense like I need a strength larger than myself and I have asked for it. And you know, the universe, God, whatever you believe in, is because I've been vulnerable and because I've, you know, worn my heart on my sleeve. And you know, I I feel that I have received what I've needed because I've put it out there and said, I, you know, I need help. And please help like you know, just, just let get me through the next 10 minutes. Just get me, get me out of bed and into the car. Can we do that? And just take it step by step. And that's my advice to anybody going through a hard time like keeping this as as present. I just stayed, I've stayed very present, and said, You know what, you're gonna have good days and you're gonna have shitty days, but you still got to show up, because in the end, you're not going to succeed. If you give up, there's no, there's no giving up, man, you gotta, you gotta see this through. And that's, you know, I've just stayed present, and just, I've just believed, I believe so deeply in what I'm doing, and that's really gotten gotten me through it.
Dr. Terry Weyman:You know, Barb, I love this, by the way. Thank you for sharing. I want to ask you about you, not just the cancer, but you. How has this journey changed you, the way you see yourself and your place in the world? Oh, and ooh,
Unknown:oh gosh, again, it's been the greatest gift. It really has, I mean, it has made me even stronger than I already was. It has allowed me to grow in a way of just you know when, when, when you dig into your own biology, as deeply as I have and I basically have bio hacked myself, You create a relationship with yourself that I never even knew existed, and the amount of self love that I have cultivated and created in this journey. And you know, forgiveness and just, you know, the the bullshit, the stupid shit really doesn't matter. Like, I, you know, I've always been very laid back and easy going, but like now, now we're at a whole nother level. Because I'm like, nothing bothers me. Because after going through what I've been, what I've gone through, it's like, that's nothing. There's nothing I can't handle at this point in my life, like and you know, I'm I'm grateful for that relationship that I didn't have with myself before. But and what my my dream and my mission and my now, my passion is, is I want to share my story. I want to scream it from the rooftop, because I want people to know not, not that there's another way to cure cancer, but that there is a way to get in front. Fun of health issues, there is a way to be, become a part of your own being. And you know, you this relationship that I've created with myself. You know, I want to share it with other people and hopefully inspire them to go, you know what? I'm not going to wait for the for the shoe to drop, like, you know? Why? Why can't we get ahead of it? Why can't we find out what we were born with, what genetic, you know, predispositions, you know, why not? Why not be the archeologist of your own body and dig in and find out what you're made of and care on a level that is so much greater than than society even promotes, you know, what I mean, like, and I want, I want to help other people. And I mean that that's who I am. I'm a coach. That is my that that was in my DNA, like that should have been in my DNA. And, you know, and look, I'm never gonna tell anybody what choices to make with their own body. I didn't want anybody telling me what I needed to do. So, you know, I now coach people with cancer, and I say, look, whatever you choose, I support your choice. And I see it. I see the fear. I hear the fear. And you know, it's sad, because they're like, well, they're telling me this. And I'm like, I know they told me the same thing, you know, and you know. So I say, look, whatever you choose is your choice, but no matter what, you got to find out why. Because if you don't get to the root cause of this, you're never going to stand a chance of survival. Like, in my opinion, that's my opinion, like, get get, find out why, and let's fix what's broken. It didn't just kind of happen. It's not that so, um, and you need to support, you know, you need good nutrition, and not like people, oh, I eat healthy. No, this is like another layer of nutrition you don't even know about, right? So, yeah, that's, you know, I have four cancer clients right now, and ironically, they're all men. I don't have any female clients, but they're all men and and they've done chemo, and it's come back within a year, I've got prostate, colon, two colon, and a lymphoma, and they've done chemo. It's not all of them they've done all four of them have done chemo, but it's come back
Dr. Terry Weyman:on that topic, we've heard the phrases, gain a second chance of life, right? You've heard the phrase, I didn't really start living till I got that diagnosis. Why do you think that is? Why do you think it takes something so powerful to turn these light switches on? From your experience of being on that side, for somebody who hasn't had that diagnosis, who hasn't, why does it take somebody to almost die to live?
Unknown:Yeah, it's it's crazy. It's sad, because, you know, I immediately as soon as I could move. I had my first surgery. End of July. I had my second surgery. Second August, 12 and then October, when, when I was healing, and could, you know, move my arms, um, I did a I did a workshop, I did a prevention workshop. And I was like, look, I mean, at a bare minimum, with everything that I've learned at that point, and I've learned so much more since then, I was like, at least I can get information out to people, to women, of how to prevent this. And it's very interesting, because you would think that people would would, you know, rush to get this information. But, you know, in unless it smacks you in the face. People, people think what I thought. I thought I was invincible. I thought I was doing all the things. Oh, it'll never happen to me. And clearly that's not the case. And. And so, you know, I don't know what needs to happen in our society, that you know prevention is a tool that is available to us and shame on us for not digging deeper into that opportunity. You know what I mean? And it's sad, because it's like, you know, people don't respond until their life is on the line. And it's funny, people say to me all the time, they're like, I watch your Instagram, I watch your videos. There's no way I could do what you do on a daily basis. And I look at them and I go, Oh, hell yeah, you could. If the alternative was you would die, you would figure it out. You would find a way to make it happen. And so it's like this, this self doubt, this I don't need to this invincible, not going to happen to me, kind of thing. And unfortunately with with you know, our food is toxic, our air is toxic, our water is toxic, our our personal care, our cleaning, everything around us is toxic, and if, if you think you're immune to the toxicity, that is just, I mean, I think that's being pretty naive. Personally, Terry reminds I don't know if that answered your question, but
Dr. Spencer Baron:Terry, she reminds us of the podcast we had with the guy that talked about the lotions that are hormone block had a hormone blocking effect on one of this, one of his young patients. And he would slap this kid, would slather himself up, and he couldn't understand it at a young age, why his testosterone levels were so low. So the guy, so the Who's that interview with? Do you remember this story? He put him on, yeah, he put him on. He took him off that, that load, that body lotion, and had him do use a one that was known not to have the chemicals in it. And the guy did a post test for testosterone, and it increased, and the kid was normal again. So it's, it's amazing, some of the benign things that we think we do or use have such a profound effect on our physiology
Unknown:well, and then, you know, it's, it's, I mean, everything I'm doing is, like, Voodoo or witchcraft or like, this list, like, Oh my God. Like, that's so weird. And I'm like, you know, there's research studies as well about the things that I'm doing. You just don't see them. They are buried because the this is such a money maker. I mean, you know, to to come up, not even come up, the fact that there is another way to cure cancer and to affect the trillions of dollars involved in treating cancer. I mean, treating cancer with chemotherapy, I this, I swear I said this in the first month that I was dying. I was like, Look, they've had 50 years or longer to figure this shit out, and they haven't. So I'm gonna give my my way a shot, because, you know, if they haven't, you know, cured cancer, with the trillions of dollars of donations and fundraisers and all the money that's been dumped into cancer research, and we still don't have a cure that just does it just didn't, didn't sit right with me. And, you know, people, people, some people are like, especially medical people, are like, you know, they, they roll their eyes at me, and it's okay. And you know, the doctors to this day, the doctors I, I go, I just had a every three months I go to the medical oncologist at the cancer center, and I have them run my blood work because I want, I want them involved, right? I'm, you know, I don't think I am ever going to need them, but I want them involved in the in the process, and to validate, I mean, I feel like the fact that I still see a medical oncologist, and they still test me, and my blood work comes back, and I say, so how are we? And she goes, you're good. I'm like, All right, I'll be back in three months. And, and I know she's waiting, you know, for some shit to pop off. And I'm like, No, it's not going to it's not going to happen. Is, you are not sticking that needle, that port in this body. It's not going to happen.
Dr. Spencer Baron:Yeah, you got to sit there and wonder, how are these rate these chemotherapy and radiation centers, how they become so elaborate and big? Where's that money coming from? Well, the i simple, the the treatments for them are so expensive that it's fueling bigger, better, more productive treatments, in more invasive treatments. And, you know, because there isn't the money in in doing,
Unknown:there's no money in juicing, yeah, yeah. Who's gonna make trillions of dollars off of juicing?
Dr. Spencer Baron:Right? Right? You know, hopefully, and it's things will change.
Unknown:Well, I, you know, I wrote a letter to RFK Jr, nice, I did. And I, I've emailed it. I've sent it to Washington. I'm gonna send one every month until I get a response for just to share my story and share my you know what I've done and for healthcare reform, I put in my little two cents about healthcare reform and how you know this, the way it's been is costing us a lot, you know, a lot of money. And you know, what I'm doing is less expensive, and it supports different businesses. You know, I go to physical evidence here in Bucha, and he's a chiropractor, Dr David Lipman, and he has the superhuman protocol in his office. Thank God, because the only other place that had it was in Aventura, at the 10x Health Center in Aventura. And I had learned about superhuman protocol two years ago, and so I knew, like that was going to be part of my treatment plan, and I was in a restore hyper wellness, getting an IV drip, and he walked in. That's the other thing that's been crazy, like the people that have just come into my life and just shown up and been solutions like Brooke, the compound pharmacist, Dr David, having the treatment that I wanted in the treatment that I needed. Instead of driving from Delray to Aventura, which is in, you know, you know how far that is Spencer, like it can be a hall, and boom, he walks in, and we start talking, and I say, Yeah, I'm looking, you know, I'm probably gonna have to drive to Aventura for superhuman protocol. And he looked at me, goes, No, you don't I have it in my office. And I'm like, stop it. And so, you know, dr, David and I have become buds. Man, I see him five, six days a week. He does an incredible job of, you know, he's, he's a, he's take, I watch him treat his patients as a chiropractor, and he, he's amazing. But, yeah, it's been, you know, it's just been such an incredible journey and and one, one other thing I like to add with the whole medical model is, and I say this all the time, and I'll continue to say it like with the doctors that you know, look at me sideways or shake their head or roll their eyes, and I say, Look, you are reading out of your book, and I'm reading out of my book, and they're just two different books, like, you know, it it should be okay. And I wish that the two books could could merge into one and you know, have a little more synergy between the two. But, you know, I, I don't think it's fair to discredit what I'm doing. But you know, because as of right now, you know, I'm a year later, and I am cancer free, and I'm gonna stay that way, because I'm going to do the damn work it takes to keep it going.
Dr. Spencer Baron:Barb, you said your fight isn't over, and obviously, by everything that you've shared, but you know, there's always probably that that I mean, you're always constantly learning and wanting to learn more, because new things keep coming out. And also, when you say your fight isn't over, how does that make you feel? What do you think?
Unknown:So? Because of the hers to positive diagnosis, the chances of reoccurrence are greater, and so that makes. Me nervous. It does, you know, I'm at higher risk of it coming back, so I've gotta, I can't let my foot off the gas. I can't get arrogant. I can't get comfortable. I can't be like, Oh yeah, I beat this. Like, you know, and where what I found with the clients that I am working with, and I asked them, I say, hey, between your treatment and then the second diagnosis, what were you doing? And the biggest mistake people make is they go back to the lifestyle, or they go back to doing the things they were doing before the diagnosis, and they and they don't get to the root cause, and they don't fix what's broken inside of them. And so I do live with that fear in the back of my head that like, oh shit, this could come back. But I get my blood work tested. I work with a doctor at life extension. And, you know, in between the three month testing, I work with that doctor and do additional testing, which is again out of pocket to stay on top of it. Like, if one thing shifts out of shifts out of whack, I'm ready to pounce. I'm ready to like, I've got a plan B. I've got I've got a, you know, something sitting on the I got something in the batter's box in case I need to pull it out and throw a little more heat on this thing. Because I, you know, I want to be prepared in case, you know, something goes sideways. But you know, I'm I'm making sure that I'm not making that mistake. I'm making sure that I'm fixing what is broken, and I'm not getting comfortable, like I'm, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna truly win by getting comfortable. You can't accomplish anything in life at a high level in your comfort
Dr. Spencer Baron:zone. You know, it's funny, we as chiropractors always say that most, most of our patients take better care of their cars than they do their body. And imagine, you know, you bring your car in for maintenance all the time, and there's always little things that need to be fixed or maintained, and yet, we don't do that with our body, but you do, and that's, that's really, it's admirable, and obviously that's what it takes, is to be hyper vigilant like you are, or hyper vigilant after, especially, you know, having a near death experience, you know,
Unknown:well. And now I want, I want to, I mean, the amount of shit I sifted through. I mean, there's a lot of, there's a lot out there, you know. I mean, all I do is read and research and, you know, look, look at things from 10 different angles. And, you know, now I want, I want to save other people that time. Like, look, I've done the work. I've, you know, I can, I can, you know, I can narrow it down for you, and also be the strength. Like, you know, be the support. And I've told client, I'm like, Look, if you need me to go to a doctor's appointment with you, I'll go. Like, let me be your voice if you need me, because I've been there, I know how intimidating it is. I know how you know fear driven it is and it and I mean, I think that's, that's part of the sales tactic. And if you don't have a strong, you know, a strong mind, a strong will and a strong belief system, you're, you know, you're gonna, you're gonna follow the pathway that is made up for everybody, like, you know, it didn't, didn't matter my background. It's I was gonna, they were gonna put me on the same treatment plan. Is every other 50 something year old woman with that particular diagnosis. And you know, I was, was like a conveyor belt of just, okay, here we go, next stop. And you know, it doesn't have to be that way. It doesn't so that's what I'm hoping that I can, you know, if someone is out there and they're even curious, or they're like, I want to learn more, you know, I've I'm available to to you. To enlighten them on my on my experience. That's
Dr. Spencer Baron:great. That's great. So you have, you've provided so many answers right, right from the get go that I have several patients in mind, some that, you know, have the Bronco gene, that have had double mastectomy. That used to be, you know, very fit. Used to compete, things like that. And you've given so many, I just can't wait for them to hear some of this. Because they, they said, you know, the estrogen, they're on Tamoxifen because of the you know, you've heard, if you haven't experienced it, you've heard all this, you know, and they feel so painted in the corner they can't get out. They don't know what to do,
Unknown:right? And when it came to the Tamoxifen, I said, Okay, well, what are the side effects of tamoxifen? And she never, she never said, you have a 28% chance of developing uterine cancer by taking tamoxifen. And on top of that, if you've ever had endometriosis, which a lot of women have, myself included, that statistic goes from 2728 to 56% she didn't even ask me if I had endometriosis. And I was like, man, you know you're you're handing this shit out like candy and not even, not even making people aware. And if you don't know to ask that question, you wouldn't know that. I mean, I have, I have friends, my my own sister that has been taking tamoxifen and and, you know, she didn't know they didn't know that, oh, tamoxifen could cause uterine cancer. Why on earth would I sign up for that shit? Very good, you know what I mean. But, yeah, it's there. It's a lot
Dr. Spencer Baron:Barb. I want to, I want to ask you a question, something, something that you probably wish that somebody would ask you on this journey that you've had, what is, what is something that you feel hasn't been talked about yet. Is there anything that you I mean, you're pretty vocal, and what's on your mind is probably out your mouth, but is there anything that you got going on in your mind that you want to tell people, even though they haven't asked you?
Unknown:Um, you know, there are a lot of layers to this. There's, you know, it's not singular. There's, there's, it's very multifaceted. And you know, the big thing that I am going after now, because I, you know, there's, there's a lot of parts to healing, you know, and just like you, there's, like, a lot of parts to your car. They're all inner, you know, they all, you know, you can't, you can't change your oil filter without changing your oil, you know what I mean, or vice versa. However, it works, right? You know, you got it. You got to do it all. And recently, and you know, it got pulled from Netflix, is the whole Dental. So this past Monday, I went to a holistic biological dentist and had my mind blown of learning like, just like you have a, you know, the gut microbiome, but it all starts in your mouth. And, you know, I am busting my ass to reduce inflammation in my body, right? I'm doing all the things to get inflammation down, because it all starts with inflammation. That that's how all disease starts, is inflammation. So I'm doing all the things to get the inflammation down, but I go to the dentist, this dentist on Monday, and he looks at me, and he goes, You have a lot of inflammation in your mouth, and we don't look at oral care from a disease like a, you know, outside of, you know, you know, needing a filling, or needing a extraction or a root canal, or whatever it is, you don't look at how this can affect All of this. And I was like, oh shit, thank God I went there, because I I'm walking around with this mouthful of inflammation, which is, you know, it's bacteria, it's, you know, you know, you got it. You got to do it, all right? And I'm. I'm so grateful this guy was awesome, too, by the way. Like, I mean, he's he, he rocked my world with the I mean, I've never been to a dentist like this in my life, and I'm so glad I found him, because now Him and I are like, buds. And I tell I'm like, I've been on social media. Like, if you've, you know you want a different dental experience, you gotta go see this guy. Um, but, you know, that's a big deal, because if, what if? What if I didn't look under that rock, and I'm doing all this stuff, but I missed that. And then the other thing is the emotional trauma, like none of us want, none of us want to dig in to the deep, hard stuff. And that one's next. So that's next on my list. But you know, it's, it's not always just surface level like again, back to the you got to dig, man. You got to dig, and you got to keep digging and get all the answers, get the full picture, because then you have the greatest opportunity to succeed.
Dr. Spencer Baron:Good stuff. Okay, we are now entering to an our favorite parts of the program. It's the rapid fire questions, there's five of them. I'm not sure. Here's the challenge for you. You've beat cancer, but can you give us short, short answers on some of the more poignant questions here that they're easy to answer. They're in your head, very competitive, if you're ready for question number one, yes, yes. Okay, let's go. If you could eliminate one health myth that drives your ass Crazy, right now. What would it be? And why?
Unknown:Um, oh, God, one health myth, you know, my my biggest pet peeve is, is people looking at nutrition labels, going after carbs, fat and protein, which is important, don't get me wrong, but the what's killing us are the ingredients. And if you don't go after the ingredients in your food and stop worrying about calories and stop, not, not stop worrying about it. But you know, that needs to not be such a hyper, hyper focus. And look, this is coming from a fitness person where it's, you know, yeah, that that's what we do, right? But if you really want to start immediately, start to feel better in your own skin. If you go after the ingredients, on on the foods, if this ink, if it's not coming out of the ground, you go after the ingredients, within a week, you will feel better. Like I have clients where I just, I teach them that one thing, and they come back and they're like, Oh, my belly bloats gone. Oh, I'm sleeping better. Oh, my, you know, my brain fought. I'm like, Yeah, because you're not ingesting a bunch of garbage. So
Dr. Spencer Baron:rapid fire. Question number two,
Unknown:there's nothing rapid about my answers. Come on Barb. You're competitive. You gotta get it in a sentence.
Dr. Spencer Baron:I challenge you
Unknown:to do it shorter,
Dr. Spencer Baron:right, right. Let's Okay, ready? Question number two, what's your ultimate Yeah, I mean, this is a confessional here. Ready? Your ultimate guilty pleasure? One that might surprise or even shock some of the people that you know best,
Unknown:that shock to people that know me best, guilty pleasure. It, honestly, it's food. I'm such a foodie, like, I mean, I'm gonna, I'm half Italian. I can, I can put down some gnocchis. I can put down some pasta, baby, all right, yeah, that's, that is my jam when, and look, when I when I had to change my diet and they and I had to, I had to, oh, God, that like, broke my heart.
Dr. Spencer Baron:I was like, shit. Gnocchi is my favorite. That's some serious carbs right there. That's a carb load, right there. Yes, yes, but God's good, yeah. Question number three, excuse me, if you had a billboard in the busiest intersection in America for one week, what bold or provocative message would you put on it?
Unknown:You have the power to heal yourself. Bravo. That was rapid do it.
Dr. Spencer Baron:That was the most rapid
Unknown:one out of three so far. That's awesome.
Dr. Spencer Baron:That might be the best one yet. All right, you got two more to go. Quick. I'm getting question number four, what's the most rebellious? Oh, this could be. Yeah, this could be, oh, yeah, what's the most rebellious thing you've done purely for fun or just to prove someone wrong? Oh, my God, coming from Barb, I can imagine what this is going
Unknown:to sound. Wait one more time.
Dr. Spencer Baron:What's the most rebellious thing you've done purely something that you've done for fun, just to prove someone wrong? Um, she her personality is by everything. But go ahead, I
Unknown:jumping off of things, out of things I have, I have, oh yeah, I've been, yeah, I bet you won't jump off that cliff. I bet you won't jump out of that plane. And I look at them and go watch me. So, yeah, I've, I've, I've dove off of a lot of cliffs in my life because I've been challenged to do it. And clearly that's what I do. I like to jump off of cliffs and and hope that
Dr. Spencer Baron:I like, yeah, that's like a metaphor for everything we just talked about. All right, last and final question. Barb, so far, you're doing really fantastic. We got this one here in a world obsessed with wellness, with wellness hacks, what's one conversation? Excuse me, controversial opinion about health, that you strongly stand by.
Unknown:One controvert that I said
Dr. Spencer Baron:she's this whole show,
Unknown:yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, yeah, what I'm, what I'm doing that is, you know that that's what I'm doing, is, is my answer. I stand by what I'm doing, and luckily, it has not been the death of me. So I'm doing something right, Bob, you
Dr. Spencer Baron:got the perfect personality to move against mainstream medicine and really take this fight to a new level, and are proof of how beneficial it is in so many ways. And by the way, I am so for those who are just listening to this, you need to tap into our YouTube and see how good Barbara looks after what she has gone through. No really. Thank you for wearing your cute little pink tank top because your biceps and your traps and your I mean, I'm really impressive.
Unknown:Well, it's funny, you know, people say to me, they're like, through the last year, they're like, Well, you don't even look sick. And I'm like, I go, you're right, because I'm healing this. Like, I'm, like, I want to be the new face of cancer, okay, I want to change the look of cancer. Love it, you know, because it doesn't have to be a devastation of your body. It can be a rebirth. It can be a, you know, a rebuild. It can be, you know, I mean, I'm in better shape. I'm healthier than I've ever been, and I had cancer, like, what the fuck
Dr. Spencer Baron:this is great. We got, we got. Can you imagine her lecturing with Lindsay Dr Lindsay Berkson. They both have the
Unknown:same I'd be exhausted.
Dr. Spencer Baron:Barb Barbara Moylan, thank you so much for such a informative, energetic, rebellious program. Thank you. Thank you again.
Unknown:Thank you guys for having me. This has been so much fun, and I appreciate you allowing me to share my story and and spend some time with you guys, because you're you're great. Thank you.
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